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W123 230 '76 MBreed

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Re: W123 230 '76 MBreed

Berichtdoor MBreed » 18 aug 2019, 11:55

Ik vind de W203 en W211 nou juist een van de lelijkste auto's die Mercedes ooit op de weg heeft gezet, maar goed zo verschillen de smaken dus ;) .
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Re: W123 230 '76 MBreed

Berichtdoor MBreed » 03 jan 2022, 18:12

Na het aldoor veel te druk te hebben gehad, nog steeds eigenlijk, zijn we eindelijk begonnen aan de 230. Gewoon maar in de agenda gezet en begonnen. Ik gooi er af en toe wat foto's in met een hele korte samenvatting, voor de mensen die het leuk vinden. Het doel is een aantal roestplekjes aanpakken en algeheel optisch restaureren (volledig spuiten binnen (motorruimte) en buiten etc.) Ik denk dat het uiteindelijk bijna richting niveau 300D gaat, alleen is hij gelukkig minder verrot. Uiteindelijk doe je het toch goed of je doet het niet...

Bij demontage van de voorschermen vonden we een behoorlijk rotte laag aan de bovenkant van het binnenscherm. Die hadden we even niet zien aankomen. Ook de kokerbalk linksvoor heeft rot. Ziet er toch uit als een slecht of niet gerepareerde schade. Kit- en verflaag breken door de klap en uiteindelijk gaat het rotten. Zeker omdat rechts helemaal origineel is en daar niets aan de hand is. Verder is de auto op kleine plekjes na, nergens echt rot. Daarom ook nu aanpakken. De motor is gedemonteerd en gaat preventief naar Keizer in Doetinchem voor optisch beurtje en nieuwe zuigerveren en klepzittingen. Alles wat we gedemonteerd hebben is meteen schoongemaakt opgeruimd en gecatalogiseerd. Vandaag alles van de motorruimte naar een bedrijf gebracht dat alles weer opnieuw geel gaat verzinken. Al het schoonmaakwerk hebben we nu gehad, dat is straks met terugbouwen fantastisch, want dan is het alleen nog maar een kwestie van bouwen. Motorruimte is helemaal leeg en goed schoongemaakt. Ook de bodem en gehele voorkant zijn schoongemaakt. Dat werkt het beste. Aldoor in de troep grijpen is drie keer niks. Vandaag puntlasboortjes gehaald. Morgen aan de gang met het plaatwerk.

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Re: W123 230 '76 MBreed

Berichtdoor groove_champion » 03 jan 2022, 19:17

Balen van die roest! Zoiets verwacht je niet zo 123 tegen te komen als alles verder netjes is. Mooi dat het weer hersteld gaat worden. Is hier origineel plaatwerk voor?

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Re: W123 230 '76 MBreed

Berichtdoor MB280E » 04 jan 2022, 14:21

Damn die roest had ik ook niet verwacht. :shock:

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Re: W123 230 '76 MBreed

Berichtdoor De Boer » 05 jan 2022, 00:35

Het kost tijd en geld maar omdat het je gaat lukken gaat hij gaat weer mooi worden Max.

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Re: W123 230 '76 MBreed

Berichtdoor MBreed » 05 jan 2022, 10:37

Als je eenmaal begint, komt er altijd meer tevoorschijn helaas. Dat is het nadeel van die kitlaag. Je zit niets, tot je het weghaalt. Zowel links als rechts bij de afwatering is schade door lekkage uit het verleden. Accuzuur rechts en remvloeistof links. Ook in de motorruimte zelf zat onder deze plekker ook al bijna geen verf meer moest ik constateren. Vervolgens nog decennia lang water erbij, nou dan weet je het wel.

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Re: W123 230 '76 MBreed

Berichtdoor Weizengelb » 05 jan 2022, 11:56

Hoi Max,

Het wordt erg goed aangepakt, prachtig!

Die plek waar de parkeerrem vastzit is bijna altijd aangetast. Mooi om te zien hoe jullie alles uitstukken.

Ik blijf dat moosgroene interieur prachtig vinden. Mijn pa kocht vroeger een 240D van 1978 met dit skai interieur en dat is helemaal in mijn geheugen gegrift. Ons pa vond het toen lelijk en er werden meteen grijze hoezen overheen gedaan. Ook vanwege het hele kunstleer in de zomer (en koud in de winter). Later hebben we het gehele interieur verwisseld voor een blauw interieur uit een 280 (rhombus motief).

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Re: W123 230 '76 MBreed

Berichtdoor De Boer » 05 jan 2022, 15:29

Ze hebben een leeftijd dat ze niet met nieuwe auto's vergeleken kunnen worden.
De mensen die iets vaker met plaatwerken bezig zijn weten een beetje dat als je gaat beginnen er steeds meer werk bij komt, jullie kennende weet ik inmiddels dat het met je auto wel goed gaat komen.
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Re: W123 230 '76 MBreed

Berichtdoor MBreed » 08 jan 2022, 14:24

Een volledige restauratie is het ondertussen wel geworden. Ophanging voor is nu ook eraf en ben ik aan het klaarmaken voor de poedercoater. Donorplaatwerk hebben we hier en daar gevonden, dus we kunnen weer even verder.

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Re: W123 230 '76 MBreed

Berichtdoor Ruud280e » 10 jan 2022, 20:37

Ik begin dit met steeds meer interesse te lezen Max! De punten die je aanpakt komen voor een groot deel overeen met wat ik zelf aan het doen ben, dus kan ik mooi afkijken hoe de professionals het aanpakken! :grin:

Hoe krijg je die steenslag in de wielkassen zo mooi eraf, gebruiken jullie een heteluchtpistool of schuur je dat?

Mooi project, en er wordt niet beknibbeld op kwaliteit, dat zie ik graag :handgestures-thumbup:

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Re: W123 230 '76 MBreed

Berichtdoor MBreed » 10 jan 2022, 21:34

Hi Ruud,

Wat bedoel je met steenslag in de wielkasten?
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Re: W123 230 '76 MBreed

Berichtdoor RD500sec » 11 jan 2022, 00:38

Ruud doelt op de anti steenslag coating, de kit die in de wielkasten is gespoten, Max.
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Re: W123 230 '76 MBreed

Berichtdoor MBreed » 11 jan 2022, 10:42

De kitlaag verwijderen is niet heel erg moeilijk, maar vereist wel veel geduld. Goed warm maken met een heteluchtpistool en dan met een beitel het meeste verwijderen. Het restant haal je weg met een boormachine met staalborstel. Hiermee maak je ook de rand van de kitlaag die er nog zit netjes, zodat de nieuwe laag weer goed aanhecht. Je zult net zover moeten gaan als de roestsporen je leiden.

Als de voorschermen er bij jouw 280E nog nooit zijn afgeweest, heb je nog een flinke klus. Bij de 1e serie zit er bovenin tussen het voorscherm en het binnenscherm een dikke laag kit. Deze beschermt tegen water, maar plakt ook het buitenscherm aan het binnenscherm. Dit moet je goed verwarmen, tot het rookt, en dan stukje bij beetje weghalen, maar met veel beleid, want je trekt het binnenscherm zo uit vorm. Dus niet te hard aan het voorscherm gaan lopen trekken o.i.d.. Bij mij hebben we uiteindelijk het rechter voorscherm aan de bovenkant moeten doorslijpen, omdat er te veel kit tussen zat waar je vanaf de wielkuip niet bij kon komen. We waren bang waren dat met teveel geweld het binnenscherm zou beschadigen.
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Re: W123 230 '76 MBreed

Berichtdoor MBreed » 11 jan 2022, 12:28

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Re: W123 230 '76 MBreed

Berichtdoor RD500sec » 11 jan 2022, 13:16

Netjes hoor Max :handgestures-thumbup:
Haal je dit uit gebruikt plaatwerk, of klop je het uit een vlakke plaat?
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Re: W123 230 '76 MBreed

Berichtdoor MBreed » 11 jan 2022, 13:50

Ik moet eerlijk toegeven dat het laswerk mijn vaders werk is, daar ben ik nog niet zo goed in. Ik doe ondertussen weer andere dingen, want we werken er met zijn tweeën aan. Het moet toch ooit weer een keer af ook ;)

Het afwateringsgat is gebruikt plaatwerk. Er zitten zoveel subtiele vormen in, dat zelf maken bijna niet te doen is. Het stuk dat in het schutbord gelast is heeft mijn vader zelf gemaakt. Gebruikt plaatwerk is wel het beste en snelste, maar zie het maar te vinden tegenwoordig.
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Re: W123 230 '76 MBreed

Berichtdoor BosBenz » 11 jan 2022, 16:06

Jammer dat zoiets als een konijn uit de hoed komt. Maar mooi om te zien hoe het opgepakt wordt :handgestures-thumbup:
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Re: W123 230 '76 MBreed

Berichtdoor MBreed » 12 jan 2022, 15:10

Vandaag de linker A-stijl-kant grotendeels afgerond. Paravan moet nog en natuurlijk de bovenrand van het binnenscherm. Het aansluitstuk zit er weer even provisorisch op voor de maat en om de aansluitrand goed in vorm te kunnen kloppen. Het is nog verbazend hoeveel kieren er origineel tussen zitten. Alles wordt door de kit pas echt afgedicht. De naden waar we niet bij kunnen laten we vollopen met een roestomvormerverf. Meer dan dat kan je helaas niet doen, anders moet echt de hele auto paneel voor paneel uit elkaar. Zo is de 300D wel gedaan, maar dan zijn de arbeidsuren niet meer te tellen.

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Re: W123 230 '76 MBreed

Berichtdoor RD500sec » 12 jan 2022, 19:00

Petje af hoor Max, hoe jullie dit aanpakken!
Welke roestomvormer gebruiken jullie?
Met vriendelijke groet, Richard
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Re: W123 230 '76 MBreed

Berichtdoor Ruud280e » 12 jan 2022, 20:46

Dank voor de tip Max, ja ik bedoelde inderdaad de anti-steenslag laag in de wielkassen, zoals Richard aangaf.

De methode met verwarmen en dan met beitel afhalen heb ik nu zelf even geprobeerd en het werkt inderdaad goed, zeker t.o.v. alles afslijpen met de draadborstel. Werkt inderdaad een stuk sneller, minder rommel en vooral; geen krassen op de plaat (en dus minder kans op nieuwe roest..). Goede tip :handgestures-thumbup:

Mijn auto is ook rot bij de afwateringen bij het motorkapscharnier, aan beide kanten. De vorige eigenaar heeft de voorschermen al eens vervangen dus die kreeg ik er makkelijk vanaf. De kitlaag die je beschreef is inderdaad nog te zien op het binnenscherm. Ik vroeg me al af of dat origineel was of dat de vorige eigenaar hier iets te enthousiast was geweest met de kitspuit.. Ik overweeg er misschien van die plastic kuipen in te zetten zoals de 2e en 3e serie hebben, maar ik weet niet of dat past in de 1e serie. Je zult dan i.i.g. wel gaten moeten boren voor de bevestiging vermoed ik.

Ik vroeg me inderdaad ook af welke roestomvormerverf jullie gebruiken voor in naden te laten lopen. Ik moet links en rechts ook wat naden behandelen op die manier.
Groeten,
Ruud
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