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Afslaan in z'n achteruit

BerichtGeplaatst: 31 aug 2012, 17:52
door Leafhabber
Beste forumleden,

Ik heb een uitdaging:

- De motor slaat af bij achteruitrijden
- vaak al bij het in schakelen van de versnelling
- het gebeurt alleen op benzine, niet op LPG!!
- het is een 200 met M102 motor (met katalysator)

Heeft iemand een tip?

Groet, Alex

Re: Afslaan in z'n achteruit

BerichtGeplaatst: 02 sep 2012, 09:07
door Bogent
Te laag stationair toerental????

Re: Afslaan in z'n achteruit

BerichtGeplaatst: 04 sep 2012, 18:20
door Leafhabber
Nee, je houdt 'm echt niet meer aan de praat, ja, met heel veel gas geven lijkt het te lukken.
Bizar toch, alleen op benzine...

Re: Afslaan in z'n achteruit

BerichtGeplaatst: 04 sep 2012, 19:46
door Kootrudy
schakelt de de benzine pomp ook in zn achteruit? :D

Re: Afslaan in z'n achteruit

BerichtGeplaatst: 15 nov 2012, 00:14
door BenzBak
Heb hetzelfde probleem met een 230TE automaat uit 1984.

Slaat sporadisch af bij achteruit rijden. Alleen met voet op
het gas blijft de motor lopen.

Klein stukje vooruit rijden helpt om met achteruit weer normaal
stationair toerental te houden.

Nog geen idee waaraan dit kan liggen. Schakelt de automaat op vacuum?

Op een duits W123 forum hetzelfde probleem, zonder oplossing

http://www.w123-forum.net/phorum/read.p ... 45,1261445

Re: Afslaan in z'n achteruit

BerichtGeplaatst: 15 nov 2012, 10:11
door Bob
hallo, heb hier al eens over gepost, maar zijn maar weinig met deze "0ptie" bekent.
Alleen bij de E met automaat met/of zonder airco.
Op moment van in D of R (ook 1en 2) dus vanuit een vrijstand komt de koppel omvormer bij en zak de het motor-toerental iets zakken ivm de belasting.
Om dit te compenseren schakelt men het vacuüm naar de vacuumvervroeger v/d ontsteking dmv een soleonoid klepje in de vacuüm leiding, waardoor het toerental iets opgekrikt wordt.
Bij mij was een klepje defect (verroest) maar het werkt nog niet optimaal.

Gr. Bob

Re: Afslaan in z'n achteruit

BerichtGeplaatst: 15 nov 2012, 10:48
door BenzBak
Dank voor deze info - ik had al een vermoeden dat in deze richting gezocht moet worden.

De aansturing schakelaar van deze vacuum klep zit waarschijnlijk ergens bij de automaatbak?

ik heb kort in EPC gezocht naar deze schakelaar in "Getriebe" maar kon even niks vinden bij het automaat pook mechanisme.

Bij auto's met airco's wordt het stationair toerental vaak ook iets bijgesteld zodra de airco inschakelt.

Re: Afslaan in z'n achteruit

BerichtGeplaatst: 15 nov 2012, 23:06
door Bob
Had een schema gevonden in de wis cd. Zal eens kijken of ik het kan vinden.

Gr. Bob

Re: Afslaan in z'n achteruit

BerichtGeplaatst: 16 nov 2012, 22:10
door BenzBak
Dank !

Inmiddels na wat zoekwerk een automaatbak schakelaar (van een 300D) gevonden;

maar kan deze niet vinden in EPC voor een 280TE uit '84;



Hiermee wordt het achteruitrij licht, de start beveiliging en de ontstekingsvervroeger aangestuurd.

Deze schakelaar komt uit dit artikel


Re: Afslaan in z'n achteruit

BerichtGeplaatst: 17 nov 2012, 01:04
door Govert

Re: Afslaan in z'n achteruit

BerichtGeplaatst: 17 nov 2012, 10:16
door BenzBak
Dank! Ik schreef 280TE maar bedoelde 230TE van '84 (wishful thinking)

Zal wellicht dezelfde zijn, heb nog niet de kans gehad om eronder te kijken naar een type plaatje oid.

Re: Afslaan in z'n achteruit

BerichtGeplaatst: 17 nov 2012, 11:21
door Govert
De 230TE uit 1984 heeft ook een 722.3 (of 722.4)-bak, die heeft ook niet deze schakelaar.

Re: Afslaan in z'n achteruit

BerichtGeplaatst: 18 mei 2016, 10:17
door Leafhabber
Het probleem (uit 2012 :) ) is weer terug nadat het spontaan jarenlang weg was. Ik ben er nu achter gekomen dat het relais wat het brandstofafschakelventiel bedient gaat rammelen zodra ik de auto in z'n achteruit zet. Meestal slaat de motor dan af. Als ik 'm snel genoeg weer in z'n vrij zet loopt de motor weer goed.

Wat kan de verbinding zijn tussen het in z'n achteruit zetten en dit relais??

Re: Afslaan in z'n achteruit

BerichtGeplaatst: 18 mei 2016, 13:03
door JantjeV8
Diezelfde schakelaar als hierboven is aangewezen?

Re: Afslaan in z'n achteruit

BerichtGeplaatst: 18 mei 2016, 20:40
door Leafhabber
Nou, ik heb een schakelbak. Die schakelaar is van een automaat, toch? Ik zal eens kijken.

Re: Afslaan in z'n achteruit

BerichtGeplaatst: 19 mei 2016, 08:12
door JantjeV8
Ohh, dat was nog niet vermeld geloof ik. Dan hoef je niet te kijken, want die heeft zo'n schakelaar helemaal niet.

Diagnose stellen:
Begint de motor al in te kakken als je de koppeling nog ingetrapt hebt en hij in R staat? Of pas als je de koppeling op laat komen?

Re: Afslaan in z'n achteruit

BerichtGeplaatst: 22 mei 2016, 11:38
door Leafhabber
Ik ben gaan kijken bij de versnellingspook: als ie in z'n vrij staat en ik de schakelaar van de achteruit indruk, gaat het relais van de brandstofafsluiter rammelen. ? Dat moet ergens een kortsluiting zijn toch?

Re: Afslaan in z'n achteruit

BerichtGeplaatst: 23 mei 2016, 07:37
door JantjeV8
Ja, daar lijkt het wel op, maar ik moet bekennen dat ik niet weet wat jij met 'brandstofafsluitrelais' bedoeld. En hoe bedoel je rammelen? Los in de klemmen, of zoemen en klakkeren van het relaiscontact?

Re: Afslaan in z'n achteruit

BerichtGeplaatst: 23 mei 2016, 10:56
door RD500sec