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Daar had ik ook niet aan gedacht nog. Dus automaat in zijn N en dan de motor aus daarna weer starten en in zijn D en weer verder gaan :

Enige is alleen. Als ik bij mij m op snelheid houdt dan is er eigenlijk amper gebonk merkbaar...

Even een dwaalspoor:

Een vriend van mij had ook een gebonk. Zeker niet een trilling/onbalans. Dat gebonk was tijdens het optrekken tot een km of 60.
Hij was vroeger dieselmonteur voor schepen. hij zocht het in de verbranding van diesel, dus de verstuivers er uit gehaald.
laten testen, veel te weinig druk. nieuwe erin , en opgelost ( 100 euro p.s.)

Ik was er verbaast over.

Mijn verstuivers heb ik getest na mijn aanrijding. Die waren volgens het boekje goed (120bar opening en goed beeld allemaal).

Ja ik heb weleens naar N geschakeld met 110kmu daarna naar D terug dat werkt goed. Doe je dat rond de 100 dan wil hij weleens terug naar 3 gaan even en dan 4!

Maar zoals mark aangeeft als je het gas verminderd / los neemt is het al over.

Ik geef het nog niet op, toch weer aan de zoek via google.



Hier een goede oplossing voor de trilling en bromen van een cardan as.
Het vervangen van de centreer bus (A 1154100032), nu is de achterste bij mij vorige week vervangen.

Voor zit er dus ook één, deze is niet gedaan :

hoi
die staat ook nog op mijn verlanglijstje, laat even weten waar je die haalt ? gewoon bij de dealer zijn ze mij te duur.
heb jij een ander adres ?
gr
Maikel

Iemand op werk zei zoiets ook al. En het voorste deel van de as aandraaien (wist niet eens dat dat kon) maar die zat dus wel vast. Wellicht die centreer assen dus?

Ik ben hier wel achter gekomen laatst. Een van de bouten waarmee de diff in het achterophang zit heeft speling. Ik kon deze ook niet verder vast draaien en ook geen andere want het schroefdraad is fijner. Wie weet f je dit bij de dealer kan halen ?? Mijn dit kan nu dus 2mm op en neer...[phpBB Debug] PHP Warning: in file [ROOT]/includes/functions_reimg.php on line 136: preg_match_all(): The /e modifier is no longer supported, use preg_replace_callback instead
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De eerste rollerbank is klaar.

Gelijk de auto er maar even op gezet, en natuurlijk laten draaien.
Verontrustend was dat het subframe aan de rechter kant trilde toen de auto alleen al stationair draaide.

We wachten even af totdat beide wielen op de rollerbank kunnen staan, dan zetten we de auto vast en kunnen we wat meer toeren maken.

broem broem,

spannend! ziet er prof. uit.

Dag Mark.
Neem maar aan van mij dat je subframerubbers slecht zijn.
Die van mij zijn vervangen en je kan niet geloven hoe anders en trillingsvrij de wagen hierdoor rijdt.
Ik kan met gemak op hoge snelheid bochten nemen die ik niet voor mogelijk hield.
Gegroet Jan

Dat geloof ik zeker.

Op dit moment ondervind ik nog geen probleem met een dansende kont of slechte wegligging.
Ik ben benieuwd of er ook speling op de scharnier punten van het subframe zit.

Mark

Nouhhhww... dit geloof je echt niet he...

Ik vandaag weer de auto op de brug gezet. Toch nog maar (weer)eens kijken naar de tussenlager en hardyschijven etc. (Mark had hierop aangedrongen laatst). Kon toch echt niets vreemds vinden eraan. Rubbers waren gewoon zacht (zoals een autoband zeg maar) en t tussenlager zag er prima uit. Ik kan aan de as gaan hangen en rukken en t geeft een beetje mee maar dat lijkt mij zo bedoelt te zijn... Zie hier wat fotos...

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as

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as (diff kant)

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tussenlager

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Prima in orde lijkt mij??

En toen draaide ik aan de as.. en ging heel toevallig mijn hand langs de ring van één boutje van de hardyschijf.. en die kon draaien!!! Gelukkig dat er dus borg moeren opzitten anders was hij er waarschijnelijk afgetrild... De bout aangedraaid en gelijk de rest even gecontroleerd en er was dus nog 1 bout die ik 2 slagen nog kon aandraaien, nu even gewoon met de ratel gedaan (ik neem aan dat ze op moment moeten, dat ga ik nog doen). En toen naar huis gereden... Nog steeds niet gelovende dat dit het kon zijn... Ik moest een kwartier door de stad rijden voordat ik pas echt kon planken om er zeker van te zijn dat het weg was... En ja hoor invoegen op de snelweg en gaan!!! Geen getril. geen gebonk !!!!!

Nog steeds een heel HEEEL licht gehummmmm hummm in de verre verte (Mark weet hoe erg het bij mij eerst was!) Maar verder OK. Bij Gas los merk ik nog wel een Bwombwombwommmm lichtjes...

pphhhh hij wel

Mooi gevonden, zat dus duidelijk in de aandrijflijn. Je ziet maar dat het toch allemaal wel nauw luistert.

Goed gevonden. Blij dat het opgelost is, het was idd zeg maar redelijk erg te noemen.

Zo thuis van een avondje testen. We zijn er wederom nog niet geheel achter waar het probleem zit.

Wat heb ik gedaan,

Eerst de auto op de rollerbankjes gezet, en nog keer verzet omdat de bestuurderskant achter te veel hobbelde.
De wielen moeten goed in het midden staan anders gaat de auto toch zoeken.
Even stationair in drive laten draaien, toen de auto nog even gezekerd met een ketting aan de vorkheftruck.

Bij alle snelheden getest 10km t/m 100km in stappen van 10 km.
BIj 40-50 dreunen en 70-80 dreunen.

De aandrijflijn is stil.
Wielen stil,
Cardan stil,
Cardan as tekent niet af met een verf stift,
Geen gebonk van steekassen,
Cardas lager huis trilt zelfs niet,
Differtieel hoor je niet en voel je niet,
Geen geschud of wiebelen van het subframe.

Het loopt allemaal zo mooi dat Ton zelf de draaiende cardan as durfde beet te pakken tussen twee vingers met 70 km en voelde zelfs geen trilling.

Maar wel dreunen want ik zat in de auto.

één kleine opmerking is dat de uitlaat wel een beetje mee deint als de trilling er is. Maar het vast houden van de uitlaat lost het probleem niet op. Daar zit het ook niet in.

Toen de auto maar op z'n subframe gezet zodat de achter wielen vrij konden rond draaien maar alles wel in lijn blijft staan en de achterwielen niet gaan hangen.
Zelfde probleem bij de zelfde snelheden. Dus het zit niet in de belasting of draaiende wielen.

Ik heb de draaiende velgen gevoeld, geen slag of dergelijk waarneembaar.
Achter lagers geen herrie en of speling.
Met stuk plat staal tussen de stangen en subframe gechecked op speling maar niets.

Toen meer naar voren gekeken.

De trilling is waarneembaar als je hand op de carter van de automaat legt. En echt stil is deze ook niet ook ik hoor een hoop herrie van de aandrijving in de bak., als de auto in de neutraal draait is de herrie weg.

Komt het dreunen dan van de motor ?, de motor loopt zo netjes dat je er een glas water op kan zetten.
Staat niet te schudden bij diverse toeren. Wel kantelt de motor een beetje als je dot gas geeft.
We voelen verder ook niets dreunen als we de hand op het kleppen deksel houden.

Het dreunen is er niet als de auto in neutraal draait bij diverse toeren tallen.

Wat nu ?

Ik denk dat ik de volgende week het voorste deel van de cardan as weg neem zodat de auto in de drive kan draaien zonder aangekoppelde aandrijflijn om te zien of het dreunen terug komt.

Zo ja, dan hebben we echt een probleem want zou er dan onbalans in de automaat kunnen zitten ?

Heb je intussen nog meer gevonden Mark? Toch wat in de automaat gevonden?

Bij mij hummt t nog steeds lichtjes ik ga s met slangklemmen om de as aan de slag de komende tijd denk ik.

Nee, ik ga volgende week samen met Ton het voorste deel van de cardan as weg nemen, kunnen we gelijk de centreerbus er in zetten en als de as los ligt kan ik nog eens de motor laten lopen om zo te zien of de dreun uit de automaat cq motor komt.

Het laatste denk ik niet want in de neutraal nergens last van, dus geen onbalans vliegwiel of torque converter.
Maar als ik hem dan in de D zet en de automaat doet mee en de dreun komt terug dan heb ik de automaat te pakken.

Komt de trilling er dan niet, dan hoop ik dat het met vervangen van centreerbus verholpen wordt en anders moeten we het dan toch in de aandrijf lijn zoeken.

Ja dat klopt inderdaad, in N dreunt motor niet door, in D wel hebk ook

....hoe is dit eigenlijk afgelopen??

Wordt medio maart/april 2015 vervolgt.

Je hebt we geluk gehad dat je de schroeven op tijd hebt aangedraaid, als er bouten uitvliegen kan de as loskomen.
Dat heb ik helaas al 2x mogen meemaken, niet leuk.

Een goede tip dus om te controleren of deze bouten goed vastzitten!

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