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Van 5bak naar automaat

BerichtGeplaatst: 30 jun 2015, 22:58
door Mart
Iemand enig idee wat het kost en wat er allemaal voor nodig is om een automaatbak in te bouwen ipv mijn getrag 5bak.
Het gaat om een 200 benzine m102 motor 1982 2e serie.

Re: Van 5bak naar automaat

BerichtGeplaatst: 30 jun 2015, 23:13
door Govert
Een niet volledige lijst:

- De juiste automaatbak, want die is motor-specifiek. Er zijn twee typen gebruikt.
- Ander vliegwiel
- Ander gasstangenstelsel
- pedalen voor automaat
- automaatpook plus stang
- vacuümaansluiting voor de automaat, maar de aansluiting zit er waarschijnlijk al op je inlaatspruitstuk.
- De startblokkering en achteruitrijschakelaar zitten op de bak, die moetn electrisch worden aangesloten.

De lijst zal nog wel aangevuld worden.
- Misschien andere aandrijfas als de lengte anders is van de bakken.

Re: Van 5bak naar automaat

BerichtGeplaatst: 30 jun 2015, 23:27
door Robin-H
Aandrijfas-lengte is inderdaad anders tussen 5-bak en automaat. 4-bak en automaat had geen probleem geweest. Afijn, 4-bak aandrijfas moet geen probleem zijn om te vinden. Lastiger had het geweest als de situatie andersom zou zijn.

Re: Van 5bak naar automaat

BerichtGeplaatst: 30 jun 2015, 23:33
door Bob

Re: Van 5bak naar automaat

BerichtGeplaatst: 30 jun 2015, 23:49
door Robin-H
Da's een beetje afhankelijk van het bouwjaar. Mijn 1980-er heeft dit soort kleppen totaal niet. De toeren zakken dan ook gewoon ~50-100 bij het inschakelen van D of R.

Re: Van 5bak naar automaat

BerichtGeplaatst: 30 jun 2015, 23:55
door Bob
Klopt, zit erop bij de nieuwere, en als er airco opzit zit er nog een extra op.

Re: Van 5bak naar automaat

BerichtGeplaatst: 01 jul 2015, 16:21
door Mart
Het is nogal wat.

Re: Van 5bak naar automaat

BerichtGeplaatst: 01 jul 2015, 18:40
door Coupe280
andere radiateur met olie leidingen naar automaatbak

Re: Van 5bak naar automaat

BerichtGeplaatst: 01 jul 2015, 20:10
door Connoly
Gewoon niet doen heb prachtige 250 6 cil te koop met orgineel 96000 km klaar :-o

Re: Van 5bak naar automaat

BerichtGeplaatst: 03 jul 2015, 21:05
door Mart
Iedereen bedankt voor de info.
Gaat hem voor nu niet worden.

Re: Van 5bak naar automaat

BerichtGeplaatst: 05 jul 2015, 22:09
door EmielW123
De automaat is een 3 traps en hierdoor maakt de motor behoorlijk toeren op de snelweg. Een 5 bak maakt daarin tegen veel minder toeren en rijdt hierdoor ook nog eens zuiniger.

Re: Van 5bak naar automaat

BerichtGeplaatst: 06 jul 2015, 08:46
door Bob
Buiten dat een vijfbak een langere "vijf heeft. ook het volgende. De automaat is een vier-traps maar vaak trekt hij op in z,n tweede (tenzij je aandringt). Dankzij de koppelomvormer is dat geen probleem.
Ook dank zij de koppelomvormer heb je slip die zich óók vertaald in een hoger gebruik.

Re: Van 5bak naar automaat

BerichtGeplaatst: 06 jul 2015, 16:45
door Wiebren240D
Hallo Mart

wat je ook kunt doen is er een langer differentieel onder de auto te zetten zal nu denk ik 3.69 zijn en dan kun je naar 3.46 gaan gaat het toerental ook aanmerkelijk omlaag.
1 nadeel de auto trekt wel langzamer op maar de topsnelheid ligt dan wel weer hoger.
en dat is goed koper dan de heleboel ombouwen een ander differentieel eronder zetten is wel te doen.

wens je suc6 met het ombouwen.
met de groeten van Wiebren ut Snits

Re: Van 5bak naar automaat

BerichtGeplaatst: 06 jul 2015, 17:04
door Bart200D
Hallo.

Ik spring hier even op in uit interesse: kan je op een automaat ook een ander differentieel zetten zodat hij minder toeren draait ?

Grz,

Bart

Re: Van 5bak naar automaat

BerichtGeplaatst: 06 jul 2015, 17:17
door Bob
Ja waarom niet, ik weet niet de diff overbrenging normaal is, maar waarom niet.
Mijn 230TE automaat (85) is redelijk hoogtoerig (vergeleken bij huidige auto's). Ik heb geen toerenteller, maar denk dat ie bij 100km/h vlug op de 3000 t/m zit, Daarbij heeft ie koppel zat om een wat langere overbrenging te trekken.
Overigens heb ik een weekje een W124 TE 3 ltr. automaat van '86 gereden, maar die was ook zo "hoog toerig" .
Blijkbaar toen normaal ???

Re: Van 5bak naar automaat

BerichtGeplaatst: 06 jul 2015, 21:57
door Connoly
is normaal ja bij 120 km al gauw 3500 toeren met een 250 automaat
;)