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MBKlassiekerclub.nl • Hoe heet dit? Zit op de Automaat : Techniek
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Hoe heet dit? Zit op de Automaat

BerichtGeplaatst: 01 sep 2019, 14:41
door Bigm1977
Sinds afgelopen maand mag mij W123 300TD weer de straat op, na 5 jaar stilstand. Heb ik alleen de remmen moeten vernieuwen voor de APK. Dus top.... alleen lekt die nog ergens automaat olie. Heb de bak zover schoon gemaakt aan de onderkant om te checken waar die lekt. Eerste indruk het witte ding lekt, maar wat is het? Zit aan de zijkant van de automaat aan de onder zie je hem zitten. Ik heb de boeken doorgebladerd, maar zie hem nergens staan. Ik hoop dat de foto goed is.

Re: Hoe heet dit? Zit op de Automaat

BerichtGeplaatst: 01 sep 2019, 18:57
door Weizengelb
HoiBig, Dat zal de vacuummodulator zijn. Zit vast een membraan in wat kan scheuren en lekken. Hierdoor kan de olie via de slang ook in je inlaatspruitstuk komen.

Groeten Math

Re: Hoe heet dit? Zit op de Automaat

BerichtGeplaatst: 02 sep 2019, 06:29
door Bigm1977
Aaah, thanks. Dus dat is de vacuüm modulator, ben benieuwd hoe ik dit ga oplossen.

Re: Hoe heet dit? Zit op de Automaat

BerichtGeplaatst: 02 sep 2019, 12:58
door Wietse
Zit er wel een vacuumslang aan, ? ik zie hem niet zo snel, alleen het rubbertje zie ik zitten.

Overigens moet ik dit ook even bij mijn eigen auto checken. Ik heb dezelfde auto en dacht te herinneren dat die altijd in zijn 2 weg reed. Maar sinds kort na 6 jaar stil stand en olie en filter verversing rijd die echt in zijn 1 weg.

Wietse

Re: Hoe heet dit? Zit op de Automaat

BerichtGeplaatst: 02 sep 2019, 19:55
door Bigm1977
Wat je ziet is wat ik heb.... waar moet deze slang naar toelopen? Op internet vind ik veel, maar geen begrijpelijke tekening/ plaatje van de automaat vacuüm systeem.

Re: Hoe heet dit? Zit op de Automaat

BerichtGeplaatst: 03 sep 2019, 13:48
door RD500sec
Op de brandstofpomp zit de VCV, deze regelt het vacuüm naar de bak.
De VCV wordt gevoed door de vacuümpomp, de VCV regelt de hoeveelheid vacuüm naar de bak naar gelang de stand van het gaspedaal.

De vacuüm modulator zet het vacuüm om in hydraulische (schakel)druk, veel gas (weinig vacuüm) zorgt voor een snelle, bruuske schakeling, weinig gas (hoog vacuüm) voor een soepele schakeling. Je bak zal nu met het ontbreken van het vacuüm slangetje, in alle gevallen bruusk schakelen.

Re: Hoe heet dit? Zit op de Automaat

BerichtGeplaatst: 03 sep 2019, 14:03
door RD500sec

Re: Hoe heet dit? Zit op de Automaat

BerichtGeplaatst: 03 sep 2019, 18:44
door Bigm1977
De wagen heeft altijd vorst geschakeld, dus vermoed dat het al jaren zo is. Dit weekend maar eens zoeken onder de kap. Maar hoort vermoedelijk niet te lekken de modulator of wel?

Re: Hoe heet dit? Zit op de Automaat

BerichtGeplaatst: 03 sep 2019, 19:09
door RD500sec
Nee dat hoort inderdaad niet. Waarschijnlijk is het membraan lek.
Als je een vacuüm handpompje hebt, is dat makkelijk te constateren.

Re: Hoe heet dit? Zit op de Automaat

BerichtGeplaatst: 04 sep 2019, 07:14
door JantjeV8
Slangetje aansluiten, uiteinde van dat slangetje in de mond, even zuigen, tong er tegen, dan weet je zo of hij blijft hangen of niks meer doet.

Re: Hoe heet dit? Zit op de Automaat

BerichtGeplaatst: 04 sep 2019, 20:14
door Bigm1977
Ik kijk eerst ff wat een modulator kost, voordat ik aan een slangetje ga zuigen en de mond vol olie heb ;)

Ik heb ook gekeken waar de vacuumslag gebroken is, maar zie nergens een lossen slang hangen :( niet van onder of van boven te zien

Re: Hoe heet dit? Zit op de Automaat

BerichtGeplaatst: 05 sep 2019, 16:39
door drieske
Of de modulator nu wel of niet is aangesloten, hij hoort niet te lekken. Gewoon een nieuwe erop en op de juiste manier aansluiten op de VCV.

Re: Hoe heet dit? Zit op de Automaat

BerichtGeplaatst: 05 sep 2019, 17:05
door Bigm1977
Vandaag met de MB deal gesproken, blijkbaar heb ik een andere automaat erin liggen dan volgens fabriek opgave :?
Het zou type 722.405 moeten zijn en ik heb een 722.112 verschellingbak erin liggen, blijkbaar eentje voor de 280TE.
Moet ik nog iets ergens opletten of nieuwe modulator erop en rijden maar?

Re: Hoe heet dit? Zit op de Automaat

BerichtGeplaatst: 05 sep 2019, 17:38
door RD500sec
Ik ben bang dat dat nooit bevredigend gaat werken, de automaten zijn aangepast aan de motorkarakteristiek, de 280 is een benzineblok, een motor die toeren maakt, een diesel doet dat juist niet, die moet het hebben van zijn koppel bij lage toeren.

Re: Hoe heet dit? Zit op de Automaat

BerichtGeplaatst: 05 sep 2019, 19:15
door Bigm1977
Heb ik weer.... blijkbaar gebeurd het vaker vond dit topic
zware-domper-300d-verkeerde-automaatbak-t12568-20.html

Als ik het goed lees, kan ik met een goede afstelling nog wel een eind komen met deze automaatbak... :shifty:

Re: Hoe heet dit? Zit op de Automaat

BerichtGeplaatst: 07 sep 2019, 11:06
door drieske
Met de modulator is wel wat in te stellen. Je moet b.v. in de hoogste versnelling al 50 km/u kunnen rijden.

Re: Hoe heet dit? Zit op de Automaat

BerichtGeplaatst: 07 sep 2019, 13:49
door RD500sec
Met de modulator kun je de kwaliteit van het schakelen afstellen, het moment van schakelen gebeurd bij deze bakken met een stang aan de rechterkant van de bak, deze stang is verbonden met het gas stangen stelsel.
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Re: Hoe heet dit? Zit op de Automaat

BerichtGeplaatst: 07 sep 2019, 18:08
door Bigm1977
Gelukkig zitten de stangen erop, dus het gaat echt om de kwaliteit...

Re: Hoe heet dit? Zit op de Automaat

BerichtGeplaatst: 19 sep 2019, 17:06
door Bigm1977
Heb vandaag de modulator laten vervangen/afstellen. Eerlijk is eerlijk, hij rijdt nu als een zonnetje. Een wereld van verschil, een werkende vacuummodulator helemaal top :grin: . Waar eerst het schakelen echt merkbaar was, is het nu goed opletten als die overgaat naar de volgende versnelling.

Re: Hoe heet dit? Zit op de Automaat

BerichtGeplaatst: 20 sep 2019, 10:26
door RD500sec
Dat zijn goede geluiden :grin: