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Ik zal een aantal foto's maken als hij ingebouwd zit! Er is inderdaad te weinig te vinden op het internet over deze tanks.
Je hebt twee systemen 1. van irene met draadbussen en 2. van Stako met een tankframe en een band om de tank heen

Ik vraag me af hoe ik de tank het beste kan bevestigen in mijn Mercedes. Ik denk dat de draadbussen naar boven moeten wijzen en dat er dan twee dikke beugels naar aan de carrosserie van de auto worden gemonteerd. Op de foto :"2LPG Tank stehend S124.jpg (1.34 MiB)" en "Bitmap2.jpg[" zie je dat de multivalve daar dan ook horizontaal ligt.
Voorbeeld van mijn tank in de positie:

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Als ik hem 180 graden zou omdraaien, met de draadbussen naar beneden, dan zou dat ook nog kunnen. Ik weet niet of het nog uitmaakt in de stevigheid.

Ik heb een aantal foto's kunnen vinden van een gemonteerde irene tank:

tankrt3f (1).jpg (6.86 MiB)

Bitmap.jpg (508.71 KiB)

Bitmap2.jpg (1.29 MiB)

BILD00331.jpg (6.28 MiB)

BILD003e6.jpg (2.26 MiB)

2LPG Tank stehend S124.jpg (1.34 MiB)

tank 4.jpg (1.69 MiB)

tank 5.jpg (1.01 MiB)

irene tank.jpg (1.14 MiB)

tank 2.jpg (939.69 KiB)

Dit is het andere type systeem

tank 6 stako.jpg (828.13 KiB)

stank 7 stako.jpg (2.16 MiB)

Je hebt aardig wat speurwerk verricht

Maar, ik had begrepen dat de tank een vastgestelde montagepositie had, aangegeven met een kruis, dat lijkt bij deze tank dus niet het geval? De ene staat met de draadbussen naar beneden, de andere met de bussen omhoog, of schuin naar achteren, dat zou betekenen dat de 80% vulklep (en de aanzuigbuis) ook in diverse standen geplaatst moet kunnen worden, of dat er meerdere uitvoeringen van zijn?

Je hebt ook een plaatje geplaatst van de winkel waar je de tank gekocht hebt? Die prijs is een stuk gunstiger dan de prijzen die we eerder voorbij zagen komen.

Met de draadbussen naar boven, kun je de tank in de uitsparing laten zakken, klem zetten met rubber en boven fixeren aan de draadbussen, dat zou ook mijn voorkeur hebben. Andersom, met de draadbussen naar beneden, zit hij vast in de wielkuip, maar zit de bovenkant “los”. Dan zou ik een met rubber beklede beugel of stalen spanband langs de bovenkant naar de carrosserie plaatsen. Aan de andere kant, 4 bouten of draadeinden M10 (of 12?) houden hem echt wel op zijn plek, mits je extra grote carrosserieringen gebruikt.

Als je foto’s wilt maken van de montage, (niet alleen als de tank op zijn plaats zit) zou dat zeker behulpzaam kunnen zijn voor je collega T of TE rijders

Het was een enorme puzzel om me te verdiepen in verticale tanks

Die kruizen heb ik inderdaad gezien op cilindrische tanks. Op deze tank zit inderdaad een horizontaal teken in de vorm van een gelakt rood kruis en er zit een ring op gelast
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Er zijn als ik naar de foto's kijk inderdaad verschillende types van deze tanks. Voor onze Mercedessen is het in ieder geval het type met de draadbussen naar beneden of omhoog en dat het gat voor de multivalve dan horizontaal staat.

Ik heb de tank bij een lpgspecialist vandaan (1 uit oude voorraad met zeer korte keuringsdatum nog) De webwinkel zou inderdaad ook een goede zijn. Hierbij de link: http://www.autogas-shop24.de/Vertikaler ... g-Mercedes

Ik denk dat mijn voorkeur dan ook uitgaat om hem te monteren met de draadbussen naar boven en te klemmen met een rubber. De originele rubberen schijfjes van Irene wil vervangen door rubberen bussen met een ring eraan, zodat er geen kans is op contact met het metaal van de auto. Ik zal binnenkort ook even wat detail foto's plaatsen van de draadeindes.

Het enige wat ik nog zoek is de multivalve voor deze tank. Ik denk dat het een reguliere multivalve is waarbij alleen een langere aanzuigbuis gemaakt moet worden die tot onderaan de tank komt, de vlotter moet in een andere hoek komen en de 80% vulling moet ik even uitvogelen. Op het tankcertificaat staat dat de multivalve met nummer E3 67R-0158416 EMER bij deze tank hoort. Ik kwam toevallig een foto tegen van een multivalve voor een staande tank
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EMER-Multiventil-6000-90°-Stehender-Tank-LPG.jpg (7.54 KiB)

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Dit is een normale multivalve
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De aanpassing is niet heel spannend.

**Edit: Hij is ook gewoon te koop. dit is het artkikelnummer
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Hier was de multivalve ook te koop:
https://tinleytech.co.uk/shop/lpg-parts ... idal-tank/

Ik denk inderdaad dat velen hier baat bij hebben. Volgens mij heb je niet persé zo'n Irene tank nodig. Het kan elke ringtank zijn van 650x240mm. Je moet dan wel een beugel hebben waar de tank op kan staan en een tankband. Ik zag ergens een foto voorbijkomen dat iemand een extra beugel had gelast bovenop de tankband en deze aan de carrosserie had bevestigd.
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De enige aanpassing zit hem eigenlijk in de multivalve. Voor de rest is elke ringtank(met multivalve) gelijk van binnen.

Ik heb even gekeken naar de ruimte waar de tank inkomt en daar zit een onderdeel in de weg. Kan ik dit expansievat zomaar ongestraft door-lussen of afdoppen?

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Het expasievat is voor de brandstotank, ook de benzine zet uit als het warm wordt, als de brandstoftank wordtvolgetankt, is dit expasievat dus om de benzine uit te kunnen laten zetten. Als ik het goed heb, zit ook de tank ontluchting/beluchting aan dit vat.
Kun je het niet verplaatsen naar voren?

Ik dacht dat alleen de diesels zo'n expansietankje hadden. Waarom heb ik nooit begrepen, volgens mij is diesel veel minder gevoelig voor drukverschillen dan benzine, maar goed.

Het zorgt er naar mijn idee voor dat de brandstoftank onder de wagen 100% gevuld kan worden, zonder deze expansietank zou de brandstof dan bij opwarming (en uitzetten van de brandstof) uit de ontluchting kunnen lopen.

Ik zou opzoek kunnen gaan naar een kleiner model. Er is in theorie nog wel wat ruimte over boven de wielkast. Voorlopig gaat er nog geen benzine in, omdat ik de auto pas veel later echt wil gaan gebruiken dus ik heb nog even speling.

Voor nu heb ik de ontluchting tijdelijk aangesloten op de andere leiding en de overloop afgedicht. Eerst even kijken hoe het met de tank afloopt en of terugbouw nog mogelijk is van het origineel tankje

Inmiddels heb ik de juiste multivalve binnen Prijs viel mee, 53 euro inclusief verzenden vanuit Polen.
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De lange stang met daaraan de vlotter gaat onderlangs in de tank omhoog naar het hoogste niveau. De aanzuigbuis ligt mooi onderin en de overloop wijst naar boven.

Ik ben weer iets wijzer geworden. Deze ringtanks hebben de multivalve op 0 graden zitten (recht) de meeste ringtanks hebben de aansluiting van de multivalve op 30 graden zitten (onder een hoek) . Het lijkt me dat je deze multivalve ook wel in zo'n tank kan proppen met een 30 graden aansluiting, je zal wel een paar stangen moeten bijbuigen maar in theorie moet dat ook werken.

Ik heb deze vreemde multivalve even opgemeten, voor wie een bestaande multivalve zou willen aanpassen van verticale montage naar horizontale montage
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Verder:
Ik heb een backfireklep geplaatst. Deze is bij de 280 m110 85mm! Lastiger om aan te komen, maar in polen zijn ze nog genoeg te krijgen. (https://www.drypa.pl/produkt5857_KLAPY_ ... _85mm.html)
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49418835792_4b295cc299_4k.jpg (1.26 MiB)

Tijdens het vervangen van de klep voor een backfire klep viel het me op dat er allemaal rare hamertekens aan de onderkant van de klep zaten.
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49425704058_9614d03fe8_c.jpg (163.69 KiB)

Toen werd het duidelijk waarom de auto soms niet helemaal lekker liep. Er is ooit blijkbaar een backfire geweest op LPG en iemand heeft de kromme klep recht proberen te maken..... oud ijzer dus
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49426398807_45ee7d96ad_k.jpg (486.22 KiB)

Backfireklep geplaatst
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49425703898_4b9bcffba9_k.jpg (202.62 KiB)

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49426174921_3a3fb448ba_k.jpg (282.59 KiB)

De auto loopt in ieder geval een stuk beter met een rechte klep

Korte update dit keer. LPG staat inmiddels op kenteken. Ik zal een paar foto's plaatsen van de tank.

Twee weken gelden merkte ik dat het toch een redelijk gepruts aan het worden was met de tank. In eerste instantie wilde ik de tank monteren met de draadbussen omhoog, echter omdat de tank iets schuin komt te liggen zouden het hele vreemde steunen worden in de auto.
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49538978063_4a2e59da39_k.jpg (529.49 KiB)

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Mijn conclusie is eerlijk gezegd dat zo'n Irene tank beter thuishoort in een S124 ipv een s123 vanwege het feit dat er gewoon meer ruimte is. Bij de s123 loopt de wielbak naar binnen en verlies je al gauw een hoop ruimte. Ik zou eerder een ringtank aanraden op een frame. Wellicht dat ik later die ombouw doe. Een losse nieuwe ringtank en een aangepaste multivalve zou ik daarvoor gebruiken.

Toen kreeg ik het idee om de tank te monteren met de bussen naar beneden. Gezien de krappe ruimte leek het me misschien handig om advies in te winnen bij een LPG inbouwbedrijf over de tank.
De beste man werd enthousiast over mijn verhaal met zo'n verticale tank en ook gezien mijn geringe tijd leek het me een goed idee om het einde van het project verder uit te besteden en heb ik de auto daar achter gelaten.
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Wat er nog moest gebeuren:
- tank plaatsen
- leiding leggen van voor tot achter
- Leiding van tank naar vuller
- vuller plaatsen achter tankklep
- afmelden gasinstallatie

Al met al scheelde het me een hoop gedoe, de auto loopt prima op LPG en de inbouw is erg netjes gedaan. Ik heb de auto wegens tijdsgebrek op laten halen en weer in de schuur geparkeerd tot nadere orde. Ik hoop tzt een aantal foto's te plaatsen van de inbouw.

Groeten, Michael

Hoi Michael,

Een leuk en nuttig verslag, goed voor mensen die hetzelfde willen doen.
Ik heb vroeger veel LPG laten inbouwen bij van Orsouw in Eindhoven. Zelf reed ik natuurlijk het liefst op diesel.
Toch heb ik jarenlang in een 280E/8 op LPG gereden, deze had een 85 liter cilindertank waar 78 liter in kon. Ik had geen tankmeter in de auto. Maar als de tank bijna leeg was begon de auto in te houden bij hogere toeren, dan kon ik mooi nog gaan tanken.
Ook was het met de D-jetronik heel makkelijk om over te schakelen van gas naar Benzine en terug, dat kon al bijna bij stationair, even een tipje gaspedaal en hup omschakelen. Deed ik ook vaak tijdens het rijden voor even wat meer vermogen op benzine

Zelden backfires gehad, een enkele keer, meestal bij een mislukte startpoging of zo (sleutel net te vroeg losgelaten).
Uiteindelijk wel de kleppen verbrand, een andere M110 ingebouwd en later toch een 240D dieselmotor ingebouwd en de gasinstallatie eruit gehaald.

Tussendoor nog enige 280S/SE W116 op gas gehad en uiteindelijk ook een hele mooie groen metallic 280 W123 (Carburateur). Hier een 100 liter cilindertank in laten bouwen en die auto reed ook erg vlot op LPG.

Veel plezier met de mooie 280TE!
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Mooi dat je de ombouw hebt afgerond, Michael, ik ben benieuwd naar de foto’s van het eindresultaat van tank en tankvuler.

Dat ziet er netjes uit, Michael, maar benzine tanken lijkt mij nog een uitdaging zo met de LPG vuller

Het lijkt op de foto erg dicht bij elkaar te zitten, echter gaat benzine tanken gelukkig nog zoals het hoort. Het is wel even goed kijken hoe de dop eraf gehaald kan worden.

Niks meer gelezen over je expansie tankje ? je had het over doorlussen ?

Moet bekennen dat ik er ook nog niet aan toe ben gekomen om er iets mee te doen.
De twee dunne leidingen heb ik met elkaar doorverbonden. De dikke leiding heb ik afgedopt. Tot nu toe nog geen problemen ondervonden tijdens het rijden. (ik heb de tank met benzine meestal half vol zitten ipv vol)
Ik heb inmiddels een andere LPG tank gekocht om te proberen of ik deze kan inbouwen op dezelfde plek, maar dan nog dieper in de wielbak, zodat het expansie tankje er ook nog in past.