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Thermostaat vermoedelijk kapot 240TD 1979

BerichtGeplaatst: 07 mei 2014, 21:12
door joost1977
Beste allen

Ik ben al een tijd lid maar zowel mijn password van deze site als mijn email vergeten dus een nieuw profiel aangemaakt:-)

Ik heb een vraag. Mijn temperatuur van mijn 240TD loopt heel langzaam op richting de 110 graden, soms zelfs 120. Dit is sinds een paar dagen (daarvoor altijd tussen de 80 en 90). Nu lekt de radiateur niet en vraag ik me af wat het wel zou kunnen zijn.

Ik heb het vermoeden dat het de thermostaat is. Paar vragen daarbij

Hoe kan ik deze vervangen?
Waar kan ik hier informatie over vinden?
en wat voor een soort thermostaat moet ik kopen?

Bij deze al vast hartstikke bedankt

Joost

Re: thermostaat vermoedelijk kapot 240TD 1979

BerichtGeplaatst: 07 mei 2014, 21:34
door Rein in Trondheim
is t niet vaker zo dat de motor te koud blijft als de termostaat stuk is ? Koelwaterpeil is ok ? Vervangen is niet moeilijk , uitleggen zonder plaatjes is moeilijker ;). Er staan wel wat links naar online werkplaatsandboeken, misc. dat je daar wat mee kan. succes, Rein

Re: thermostaat vermoedelijk kapot 240TD 1979

BerichtGeplaatst: 07 mei 2014, 21:50
door Govert
Mijn ervaring met thermostaten is ook dat de motor te koud blijft, maar het zou eventueel ook andersom kunnen. Voelt de motor/radiateur ook heet (110-120ºC) aan? Eventueel een andere thermometer tegenaan houden. Loopt de motor goed? geen roken of iets dergelijks? Slechte dieselinjectie kan ook voor problemen zorgen.

En het hierboven genoemde koelvloeistofniveau moet ook goed zijn. Er mag ook niet teveel antivries inzitten (max 50%)

Geen last van aanlopende remmen of een handrem die niet los komt?

Temperatuursensor kan ook nog kapot zijn.

Thermostaat is makkelijk te vervangen:

Hier zie je het thermostaathuis:

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Hier zie je het deksel en de thermostaat

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en hier zie je het openliggend thermostaathuis

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Aandachtspunten:

- boutjes kunnen afbreken, dus een paar dagen van de voren in gaan spuiten met wd-40
- koelvloeistof uit radiateur laten lopen (opvangen uiteraard), dit doe je als de motor koud is.
- spiraal moet naar achteren wijzen
- als een pijltje aangebracht is op de thermostaat, moet het naar boven wijzen
- gebruik een nieuwe pakking
- aanhaalmoment voor de boutjes 15 Nm, dat is niet veel
- 1979 is een overgangsjaar, het kan zijn dat het er bij jou anders uit ziet.
- als je het thermostaathuisdeksel verwijderd, dan komt er nog wat koelvloeistof uit. Houd dus een lap gereed.

Ik kocht de thermostaat bij de dealer op chassisnummer, wegens teveel slechte ervaringen met andere merken. Er zijn namelijk verschillende thermostaten geleverd op de W123. Het is in ieder geval een 80ºC thermostaat.

Re: thermostaat vermoedelijk kapot 240TD 1979

BerichtGeplaatst: 08 mei 2014, 10:38
door Frankie68
ik had het vorig jaar ook met mijn 200D

oorzaak, verstopte radiateur

Dat was aan de Franse grens :blink:

ik haalde toen de thermostaat eruit..maar temp kom toch naar de 120

bij langzaam rijden bleef hij op 100 gr en gelukkig kwam ik op de plaats van bestemming

eenmaal thuis andere radiateur erin en probleem weg

ben toen nog naar Hannover gereden een paar maanden later en dat ging gewoon goed

Re: thermostaat vermoedelijk kapot 240TD 1979

BerichtGeplaatst: 08 mei 2014, 15:44
door joost1977
Beste Allemaal

Ontzettend bedankt voor jullie snelle en zeer uitgebreide (Govert) reactie. Ik ga er mee aan de slag!

Goede groet

Joost

Re: thermostaat vermoedelijk kapot 240TD 1979

BerichtGeplaatst: 10 mei 2014, 12:02
door Weizengelb
Ik tip ook op een verstopte/vervuilde radiateur.

Maar de thermostaat is als eerste als makkelijkste te testen/vervangen.

Gr. Mathieu

Re: thermostaat vermoedelijk kapot 240TD 1979

BerichtGeplaatst: 14 mei 2014, 23:03
door TheoMB
Bij kapotte thermostaat is de ( bedrijfs)temperatuur meestal te laag. Ik heb ooit eens bij een 200D meegemaakt dat het schoepenradje op de as van de waterpomp losgekomen was en toen liep de temperatuur ook op.
Mvg Theo

Re: thermostaat vermoedelijk kapot 240TD 1979

BerichtGeplaatst: 15 mei 2014, 09:48
door Gewoon Ik
thermostaat kan op 2 manieren stuk gaan toch. Open of gesloten. Dus ofwel te warm of te koud.

Re: thermostaat vermoedelijk kapot 240TD 1979

BerichtGeplaatst: 15 mei 2014, 10:33
door Govert

Re: thermostaat vermoedelijk kapot 240TD 1979

BerichtGeplaatst: 15 mei 2014, 11:15
door Gewoon Ik
die bij ons op het werk geven meestal te hoge temperaturen als die kapot gaan (nuja zitten meerdere termostaten in ook om de thermoshock bij openen niet te groot te maken). Maakt het zoeken nog leuker :lol:

Nu ik heb mijn radiator ook recentelijk vervangen. Mijn temperatuur was ook te hoog en bij een afdaling (ik zat natuurlijk in het Eifelgebied) zakte de temperatuur nauwelijks. Dus ondanks alle rijwind en geen belasting zakt die niet, dan is het wel duidelijk dat de radiator zijn beste tijd gehad heeft. Al zag die er van buiten nog heel mooi uit, zo goed als geen beschadigingen of zo.

Hoe controleer je de waterpomp of die kapot aan het gaan is? De historie van mijn auto kennende is dat nog een originele en na 257k kilometers zal die ook niet al te fris meer zijn.

Re: thermostaat vermoedelijk kapot 240TD 1979

BerichtGeplaatst: 15 mei 2014, 11:16
door Midamasco
hetgeen ik reeds 2 maal heb meegemaakt na aankoop oude Benz is
dat mn temperatuur meter rond de 60 graden bleef hangen
maar mn motor bij inspectie toch veel te warm aanvoelde
na vervangen van thermostaat + koelwater klom
de temp mooi naar de 90 graden en gaf mn blok zo geen hitte meer af

Re: thermostaat vermoedelijk kapot 240TD 1979

BerichtGeplaatst: 15 mei 2014, 12:15
door Govert

Re: thermostaat vermoedelijk kapot 240TD 1979

BerichtGeplaatst: 15 mei 2014, 12:27
door Bart200D
Hallo,

Preventief vervangen is inderdaad een optie en kost ook de kop niet.

Enfin, ik zal ze toch pas vervangen als ze lekt :D

Grz,

Bart