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MBKlassiekerclub.nl • W110 200 ombouwen naar OM621 Diesel : Diesel Specifiek - 2
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Re: W110 200 ombouwen naar OM621 Diesel

BerichtGeplaatst: 06 aug 2018, 20:38
door Weizengelb
Hoi Richard,

Ik ben het met je eens hoor. Ik ben meestal niet zo gecharmeerd van revisie, slecht ervaringen mee helaas...
Ik heb een keer een blok laten reviseren, liep daarna een zuiger vast omdat een koelkanaal verstopt zat. Weer een nieuwe zuiger erin (weer 800 gulden) daarna liep het hele blok kapot (waarschijnlijk door een kapotte vacuumpomp). Totale schade duizenden zuurverdiende guldens.
Daarna jaren heerlijk met een ruilmotor uit een sloper rondgereden.

Ik weet niks van dit blok. Ik heb het van een kennis (een automonteur) die het voor zichzelf uit een verrotte W110 heeft gebouwd omdat het blok zo mooi liep. Omdat er zuigerbussen in zitten weet ik dat hij (ooit) gereviseerd is. het was een gok. Maar ondanks dat de verstuivers waarschijnlijk ook wel vies zijn na het stilstaan loopt hij heel aardig en rookt echt bijna niet. Al met al niet slecht vond ik zelf.

Ik zal er eens iets dikkere olie in doen. Het is nu ook wel erg warm en de radiateur is ook niet echt top. Bij 100 km/h loopt de temperatuur op naar 100 graden, als ik 110-120 ga rijden stijgt hij tot boven de 110 graden en moet ik de verwarming in de auto aanzetten. Maar als ik de afrit van de autobaan afrijdt slaat de motor niet af. Dat was bij eerdere versleten motoren met weinig compressie wel anders... :-o

Bedankt voor het meedenken :handgestures-thumbup:
groeten, Math

Re: W110 200 ombouwen naar OM621 Diesel

BerichtGeplaatst: 09 aug 2018, 23:50
door RD500sec
Een lagere motortemperatuur zal de oliedruk ten goede komen.
Dikkere olie zal de druk ook verhogen, toch zou ik nog wel even verder kijken naar de genoemde punten.
Dan ga je voor levensduur.

Re: W110 200 ombouwen naar OM621 Diesel

BerichtGeplaatst: 06 maart 2019, 20:04
door Weizengelb
Ondertussen vooral lekker gereden met de 200 diesel.
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Wel nog een aantal maal de V-snaar nagespannen, blijft een zwakke constructie.
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Ook eindelijk de onderste koelwaterslang preventief vernieuwd. Dat had ik uit kostenoogpunt nog niet gedaan, maar ik heb toch geen zin om daardoor een keer langs de weg te stranden.
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Verder nog wat klusjes zoals de stoelbekleding weer vastzetten en de deuren van binnen schoonmaken en met gekookte lijnolie en verf te behandelen. Ook de ruitesproeier eens goed aangepakt, die verstopt steeds. Ditmaal de slangen vernieuwd en het voetpompje uitgebouwd en van binnen schoongemaakt, zat vuil in wat anders steeds weer in de slangen gedrukt wordt.
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De motor loopt koud niet meteen op alle cilinders aan en nagelt koud ook aardig. Ook hoor ik hem dan kloppen wat op vertraagde ontsteking of druppelen van de verstuivers duidt. Al met al reden om eens naar de verstuivers te kijken. Ik heb daartoe 4x nieuwe DNOSD1510 verstuivers gekocht. Ook meteen een pijpsleutel 27 om deze oude typen verstuivers uit de voorkamer te kunnen draaien.
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De vorige keer heb ik voor de 220D deze nozzles in laten bouwen en afstellen door de Bosch dienst. Dat gaat goed maar kostte 150 euro en ik vind het leuk om het zelf te doen. Ik heb dus toch maar zelf een testpomp gekocht. Vanmorgen heb ik uit een aantal oude verstuivers een setje van 4 samengesteld, schoongemaakt e afgeperst op 120 bar. Bij de meeste moest ik er een extra vulplaatje in zetten om op voldoende druk te komen. Gelukkig had ik gisteren wat extra plaatjes kunnen krijgen.
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oude vieze houders schoonmaken
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verstuiver uit elkaar schoon
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Testen druk
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verstuivers klaar op 120 atmosfeer
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Ik ben benieuwd wat het gaat brengen. Eerst wil ik nog de gloeispiralen uitbouwen en de gaten hiervan schoonmaken van koolresidue. Dit brengt misschien ook al verbetering. Bij het vervangen van de verstuivers zal ik dan ook meteen de compressie van de motor meten.

Groeten, Math

Re: W110 200 ombouwen naar OM621 Diesel

BerichtGeplaatst: 06 maart 2019, 21:11
door denman1710
Machtig dat je dit allemaal zelf kan......

Re: W110 200 ombouwen naar OM621 Diesel

BerichtGeplaatst: 08 maart 2019, 15:49
door Weizengelb
Het is gewoon leuk je auto steeds beter te leren kennen :handgestures-thumbup:

Vandaag wilde ik de Voorgloeiers uitbouwen en de gaten schoonmaken van koolstofresidue. Dit kan ook startproblemen veroorzaken, waarschijnlijk omdat dit kool stroom kan doen wegvloeien naar de massa.

Met het uitdraaien voel je al of ze door koolstof klem zitten, ze draaien dan moeilijker eruit en piepen daarbij door de wrijving. Ik zag ook dat bij de 2e cilinder de gloeidraad wat kraterig was. Slechte verstuiverstraal??
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Gloeispiraal cilinder 4
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Gloeispiraal cilinder 2 helemaal rechts niet mooi glad
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Toch maar besloten om ook meteen de gereviseerde verstuivers in te bouwen. Met gebrek aan de speciale verstuiverhouder-dop mijn pijpsleutel maar met een grotere dop op de ratel.
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pijpsleutel
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De uitgeschroefde verstuivers
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Ook de ¨Prallkugel¨ in de voorkamers bekenen. Deze zagen er goed uit. Alleen de van de 2e cilinder is wat kraterig. Toch de verstuiver niet goed geweest denk ik.
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Prallkugel 2e cilinder
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met flits
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Dan ook de compressie maar eens gemeten. Wel eerst de gloeispiralen ingebouwd. Die van de 2e heb ik vervangen door een andere gebruikte.
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testen Ohme weerstand gloeispiraal
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De ingeschroefde gloeispiraal zichtbaar in de voorkamer
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Compressie meten
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Ik meet lage compressie waardes. 12, 16, 15, 14 bar. De motor is natuurlijk koud. Misschien moet ik de plug wat vaster schroeven maar daar had ik niet zon zin in. Nu alleen handvast ingedraaid.

Alle leidingen weer vast en straten maar. Na al dat gepruts kwam er natuurlijk toch rook uit de eerste keer. Ook startte hij natuurlijk niet meteen omdat de inspuitleidingen leeg waren. Wel merkte ik dat er geen klopgeluiden meer waren, ik denk dus toch dat de oude verstuivers nadruppelden. Verder loopt de motor mooi rond en trekt goed. Filmpje plaatsen gaat hiet denk ik niet? De volgende koude start weet ik meer.
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Bijna klaar weer
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Wel nog even de oude verstuiver van de 2e cilinder afgeperst. zat op 105-110 bar maar de straal was wat scheef naar een kant. zal ze binnenkort eens alle 4 testen.

Groeten Math

Re: W110 200 ombouwen naar OM621 Diesel

BerichtGeplaatst: 08 maart 2019, 17:25
door JantjeV8
De waardes zijn wat laag, maar hoe zuiver is de meter, hoe vast zat je plunjer e.d. Maar het verschil tussen 12 en 16 is ook best veel.
Had je wat olie in de cilinder gedaan?

Meten is weten zegt men wel eens, maar niet goed meten geeft onzekerheid terwijl dat misschien helemaal niet nodig is. Als dat blok koud met wat gloeien goed start zou ik er mezelf niet druk over maken. Verstuivers moeten goed zijn, kleppen moeten netjes staan, dan ben je al een heel eind. Verder gewoon olie er op houden.

Re: W110 200 ombouwen naar OM621 Diesel

BerichtGeplaatst: 09 maart 2019, 00:15
door MB280E
Mooi werk gedaan. Wel lage compressie waardes. Meetfout? Betreffende de v-riem, deze bestaat in een versterkte uitvoering voor onder ander tractors en vrachtverkeer. Scheelt veel in het naspannen.

Re: W110 200 ombouwen naar OM621 Diesel

BerichtGeplaatst: 19 maart 2019, 20:54
door Weizengelb
Hoi Jan en Jan,

Tja, ik heb wellicht niet zo heel goed gemeten. Het moet ook warm eigenlijk maar ja.
olie heb ik er ook niet op gedaan. Kleppen wel gesteld voor de ombouw.

Hij start wel redelijk, maar niet op alle cilinders. Misschien dat snelgloeiers het beter doen.

Verder rijdt hij op temperatuur prima en geeft geen onregelmatige hamergeluiden meer (druppels?).

Olieverbruik is ook laag.

Groeten Math

Re: W110 200 ombouwen naar OM621 Diesel

BerichtGeplaatst: 02 mei 2019, 15:11
door Weizengelb
Hallo allemaal,

Een week of 3 geleden begon de 200D ineens veel te roken. De slang van de vacuümpomp nagekeken maar deze was droog dus geen gescheurd membraan. Dan de klepsteelrubbers? Deze dus maar besteld.

Vorige week echter, op de terugweg van het vliegveld in Keulen, ineens veel olielekkage. De kleppendekselpakking was flink gaan lekken. Ik had deze een beetje beschadigd bij het losdraaien van de verstuivers eerder, maar dat was toch ernstiger dan ik dacht. Misschien ook in kombinatie met te vast aandraaien van de boutjes. In elk geval moest in onderweg stoppen om olie bij te vullen. Thuisgekomen dus maar meteen ook begonnen met de klepsteelrubbers vernieuwen.
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Kapotte pakking
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Eerst ook maar wat TL lampen opgehangen. Dat werken zonder licht schiet echt niet op en de 220D staat nog in de garage.
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TL licht
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Omdat ik ze snel nodig had heb ik buiten het bestelde setje van Febi ook een setje via Marktplaats gekocht. Deze was voor een OM617 Turbodiesel. Volgens een boek over de W124 zouden de groene voor de inlaat moeten zijn. Dit weet ik echter nog steeds niet zeker. Weet iemand dit?
Het zal wellicht niet heel veel uitmaken bij een 200D.
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Om617 klepsteelrubbers
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Van de oude rubbers was die van de uitlaat van de 1e cilinder anders dan de rest. Ouder denk ik. Eentje verderop zat los van de klepgeleider toen ik de veer eraf trok. Is misschien gebeurd bij het lostrekken van de veer (moet wat scheef onder de nokkenas), of hij zat al los en kan zo veel rook veroorzaakt hebben.
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nieuwe erop, groen op inlaat, zwart uitlaat...
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de oude op een rijtje
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Met een nieuwe kleppendekselpakking van Elring weer in elkaar gezet. De erge rook bij het stoplicht en zo is weg :handgestures-thumbup:
Koud hamert en rookt hij nog wel, maar dat is denk ik wel normaal bij een wat oudere OM621. Misschien nog een keer snelgloeiers erin die misschien warmer worden en blijven bij het starten.

Nu weer aan de 220D werken!
Groeten Math

Re: W110 200 ombouwen naar OM621 Diesel

BerichtGeplaatst: 13 mei 2019, 20:38
door Weizengelb
Ik heb om te kijken eens de voorkamers uit een oude 621 kop getrokken om te zien of ze nog goed zijn. De ¨kogelstiften¨ zitten wel vast maar zijn wel wat ruw van oppervlak, lijken me niet echt beter dan diegene die ik nu n de motor heb zitten.

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Re: W110 200 ombouwen naar OM621 Diesel

BerichtGeplaatst: 24 sep 2019, 19:11
door Weizengelb
Hallo,

Van het weekeind met de Heckflosse het bos in. Helaas een stuk over een wat ruw en los zandpad waarna ineens een motorsteun doorgezakt was.

Nu had ik deze steunen met de motorombouw niet vernieuwd, en dan zie je dat het toch weer stuk gaat. Ik heb nog even zitten denken om ze op te kalefateren met wat rubber en kit maar toch maar 2 nieuwe besteld. Vandaag waren ze binnen dus meteen maar ingebouwd. De rechter steun was de schuldige.

Motor even wat opgetild met de krik onder het carter. De borging an onder in de steun vastgezet met wat schroefdraadborging.

Nu loopt hij weer rustig (relatief dan he :grin: )
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motorsteunen IMG_5634.jpg
nieuwe en oud
motorsteunen IMG_5634.jpg (143.67 KiB)

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motorsteunen IMG_5636.jpg
borging (bout van onder in de steun zorgt dat de motor niet te ver omhoog kan komen)
motorsteunen IMG_5636.jpg (128.52 KiB)

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motorsteunen IMG_5635.jpg
motorsteunen IMG_5635.jpg (79.18 KiB)

Re: W110 200 ombouwen naar OM621 Diesel

BerichtGeplaatst: 07 jan 2020, 21:25
door Weizengelb
Vorige week nog snelgloeiers ingebouwd waardoor hij beter op alle cilinders startte.
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IMG_6250.jpg
nieuwe kabeltjes maken
IMG_6250.jpg (118.54 KiB)
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toch nog even compressie gemeten op de 4e cilinder, 20 bar. De andere kon ik te slecht bij voor nu even.
IMG_6253.jpg (100.67 KiB)
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IMG_6256.jpg
de snelgloeiers wel eerst even testen
IMG_6256.jpg (96.88 KiB)


Toch ook de auto te koop gezet en binnen 1 uur verkocht. Wel jammer maar nu even rust.
het werd wat te veel alles dubbelop kopen voor 2 diesels en dreigende milieuzones etc.

Ik wilde nu eigenlijk maar eens ingeven en een nieuwe(re) auto gaan rijden, maar misschien toch een W124 of zo (benzine) maar ja, ik weet niet of die ook niet verboden gaan worden om te rijden.

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Groeten Math

Re: W110 200 ombouwen naar OM621 Diesel

BerichtGeplaatst: 08 jan 2020, 20:20
door RD500sec
Jammer Math, dat je hem hebt weggedaan.
Is de nieuwe eigenaar iemand van het forum?

Re: W110 200 ombouwen naar OM621 Diesel

BerichtGeplaatst: 09 jan 2020, 20:49
door Weizengelb
Hoi Richard,

Ik weet niet. De man had een groot autobedrijf in het oosten van het land. Hij heeft hem ongezien gekocht, laten betalen door zijn accountant en op laten halen door een werknemer.

Enfin, ik heb weer plaats. Nu opletten dat ik niet te snel weer iets koop... Ik heb wel zin in een W124 maar weet niet of dat nu wel verstandig is met al die milieumaatregelen. Niet dat ik die straks weg kan gooien...

Groeten Math

Re: W110 200 ombouwen naar OM621 Diesel

BerichtGeplaatst: 10 jan 2020, 12:42
door RD500sec
De veiligste aankoop die je volgens mij kan doen is een Tesla, maar ik betwijfel of de verkoop van de flosse dat dekt 8-)