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Re: visco fan om617

Berichtdoor Frankie68 » 14 apr 2012, 02:55

hoi,

volgens mij doen beide kanten het..

ik ga morgen nog even verder met pompen met de fietspomp op op verschillende punten
ik hoorde wel een hoop geburp toen ik alles er uit liep lopen..lucht dus.
de radiateur is originele behr
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Re: visco fan om617

Berichtdoor Frankie68 » 27 apr 2012, 23:24

hoi hoi,

ik heb ondertussen weer wat geklooid met de koeling..
nog steeds geen succes met alles..
ik heb nu een W126 aux fan erop gezet maar nog niet aangesloten..
wat ik wil is :
een knopje/schakelaar op het middenconsole die deze aux aanzet..gewoon draaien zonder relais.
het knoppie zal 20ampere zijn..de zekering doe ik via de zekeringdoos (auxfan red)
dikkere draden zal ik ook gebruiken



kan dit ?
want op internet vind ik heel veel info..maar alleen met de relais ..die ik dus niet hoef..

gewoon simpel ..
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Re: visco fan om617

Berichtdoor Govert » 28 apr 2012, 12:10

Met hoeveel liter koelvloeistof heb je nu het koelsysteem gevuld?
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Re: visco fan om617

Berichtdoor Frankie68 » 28 apr 2012, 12:36

hoi,

volgens mij toch wel rond de 10 11 liter..

govert,

ik heb uren besteed aan wat het kan zijn op internet, rondvragen ect ect..
op de us -sites (Benz.org bijv.) zijn er meerdere die het probleem hebben.
vooral de sd's en de turbo diesels
wat ik ook heb gedaan is de bypass hose vervangen ..die zit in ieder geval aan het randje van verstopt zijn.
het enige wat nog kan zijn is dat de kachelradiateur een beetje verstopt is want ik hoor hem regelmatig borrelen aan de pasagierskant..
maar als ik een (fiets)pompje zet op de uitlaat slang (rechts op het schutbord) en pomp , komt er ook weer water uit
uit het schutbord rechts (waar ik de slang los gekoppeld heb)

ik heb ook een gaatje geboord in de t-staat..
ik rij er op het moment korte ritjes mee en de temp wordt na verloop van tijd net geen 80 graden..
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Re: visco fan om617

Berichtdoor Bob » 28 apr 2012, 13:03

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Re: visco fan om617

Berichtdoor Martin123T » 28 apr 2012, 13:19

Hoe zit het nu met de "nieuwe Behr"? Ik begrijp dat deze nu gemonteerd is en denk te begrijpen dat dit een tweedehands exemplaar is.
Ik heb zelf te kampen met een dergelijk probleem bij een SAAB en onze conclusie is dat de radiateur (gedeeltelijk) verstopt is. Dit kan bij de gebruikte doch originele Behr natuurlijk ook aan de hand zijn.
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Re: visco fan om617

Berichtdoor Frankie68 » 28 apr 2012, 13:29

die ("nieuwe") andere Behr heeft 33 lamelen.volgens mij van een 200 benzine , zat ook een oliekoelertje op
(wist ik veel dat daar óók nog verschil in zit, van 1 meter afstand identiek aan elkaar)
die behr is er weer af en nu zit er een echte nieuwe op (*die ik al had staan van vorig jaar)
deze heeft 52 lamellen
de originele 300D behr had 42 lamellen maar daar kon je door heen kijken

leuk he radiatoren.. :whistle:
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Re: visco fan om617

Berichtdoor Bob » 28 apr 2012, 13:32

En............wat zij de resultaten ???
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Re: visco fan om617

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Re: visco fan om617

Berichtdoor Bob » 28 apr 2012, 13:57

Dus het is wel goed te voelen. Gewoon bij een warme motor de radiator " aftasten " ?
Of heb je nog andere methoden ?

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Re: visco fan om617 ....het vervolg ,oplossing?

Berichtdoor Frankie68 » 13 mei 2012, 14:05

hoi hoi,

ik ben er nog steeds mee bezig..
ik heb deze on-orthodoxe ingreep gedaan om uit te sluiten of de kachel (KRAAN) wel of niet verstopt zit..
zie het plaatje..
de kachel heb ik dus buiten spel gezet.
ook heb ik de bajonet boutjes vervangen van het stalen buisje van het waterpomphuis naar de cylinderkop.
tja , je weet maar nooit :pinch: )

vandaag een rit gereden met wisselende snelheden..105 km, file , afslag..90 km uur enz..
de temperatuur op de snelweg : 84 graden!!
in de file : 90 graden!
weer de weg op 84 graden !
afslaan en voor de deur parkeren 95 graden ..(dit komt door de t-staat die net zijn werk wilt doen maar door de
lage snelheid en geen doorstroming is..
hij gaat wel terug naar 90 graden
koelwater blijft binnen..maar er is iets verdampt denk ik omdat het puur water is op het moment.
en hij heeft sowieso een liter minder te verwerken

het zit hem dus in de kachel of de kraan..

ik ben in ieder geval een stuk geruster nu..

michael, hoe heb jij die aluminium kraan open gekregen? zonder te slopen :huh:

ik heb hem eruit nu om schoon te maken


oh ja..

een tip voor de noord Hollanders..

250 gram citroenzuur poeder kost 0,95 euro bij de Aziatische supermarkt in Beverwijk (zwarte markt)
amazing oriental heten ze..ze zitten ook elders in het land
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Re: visco fan om617

Berichtdoor Govert » 13 mei 2012, 20:47

Als je de verwarming niet aan hebt, zit de kraan toch ook gewoon dicht? Waarom zou de bypass van de kachel uitmaken?
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Re: visco fan om617

Berichtdoor Frankie68 » 13 mei 2012, 22:01

hoi,

ik heb dit gedaan even om het koelcircuit zo simpel mogelijk te houden..
ik hoorde voorheen constant geborrel rechts ..als ik aan het rijden was..
maar ja ..rijden en kijken wat het is gaat niet samen :unsure:
als je alles al gedaan hebt ..behalve de koppakking vervangen dacht ik het zo tijdelijk op te lossen..
koppakking is het dus niet gzd.

dus een luchtbel of verstopping in de verwarming of de leidingen..?
ga binnenkort weer alles aansluiten en maar weer kijken..
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Re: visco fan om617

Berichtdoor Govert » 13 mei 2012, 22:14

Je mag het wel kortsluiten, maar dat zou geen invloed moeten hebben op de motortemperatuur, want als de verwarming uit zet, blokkeer je de leiding ook. Het zou wel kunnen dat de kachelradiateur lek is, dan wordt de koelvloeistof eruit gegooid daar, gevolg is een hoge temperatuur, maar ook een nat interieur.
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Re: visco fan om617

Berichtdoor Trouwkoets » 14 mei 2012, 10:10

Frankie,

De by-pass die je hebt gemaakt heeft een veel lagere weerstand dan de normale situatie (bij gesloten kachelkranen gaat er zelfs niets doorheen). Gevolg is dat er meer water door de by-pass gaat, en dus minder door de koelradiator, waardoor de koelcapaciteit slechter is dan onder normale omstandigheden.

Als je met aangesloten kachelsysteem koelwater verliest, maar je hebt geen koelwater bij je voeten, dan zou het kunnen zijn dat de kachelkraan lekt. Kijk eens .

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Re: visco fan om617

Berichtdoor Frankie68 » 14 mei 2012, 17:46

dank je casper..

de kraan heb ik er al uit..ik heb trouwens geen lekkage binnen anders was het overduidelijk natuurlijk
ik ga deze week weer met de verwarming klooien..
je moet je wel voorstellen dat ik nu weer gerust rij in mijn 300D.. :)
de laatste 4 weken alleen maar testritjes gemaakt..met constant de gedachte:
"wat gaat de thermometer doen?,shit , boven de 100 graden" :S
nu dus niet meer
ik heb ook een W126 fan voor de radiateur gezet ..
die deed het eerst wel en niet..
helemaal open gemaakt en de contacten schoongeschuurd en hij draait nu prima als het moet
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Re: visco fan om617

Berichtdoor Frankie68 » 17 mei 2012, 17:04

hoi hoi,

ik heb de kachel weer aangesloten en weer een x-aantal testritjes gedaan en mijn 300D gedraagt zich als een
koele kikker ;)
110 km/u ,30 km/u ,stoppen enz..prima temperaturen ..max 90 en normaal 81-84 graden..
poeeh wat ben ik blij zeg.. :silly:

misschien een combinatie van alles..?
het schijnt dat 300D's toch lastiger zijn om te ontluchten is mij verteld door een ex-monteur van Mercedes.
lastiger dan de 200D

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Re: visco fan om617

Berichtdoor Govert » 19 mei 2012, 10:25

Dus wat is nu de conclusie? Lucht in het systeem?

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Re: visco fan om617

Berichtdoor Frankie68 » 19 mei 2012, 21:08

hoi,

tja..de conclusie?

ik denk een een samenloop van alles:

kachelkraan schoon gemaakt
ik denk dat het kortsluiten van het koelcircuit ook wel zijn nut heeft gehad
citroenzuur behandeling
het uitpompen van het koelwater uit de kachel..
nieuwe bajonet bouten in de cylinderkop en het pomphuis + het stalen buisje schoongemaakt
voor betere doorstroming

oh ja..ik heb dus een aux fan van een W126 voor mijn grill gezet.. ;)
een achterruit verwarming switch plus een ventilator switch van een W126 getransformeerd naar
een w123-looke switch..de W126 switchen zijn wat ronder..
het symbooltje op het knoppie kun je zo eruit wippen en in een andere zetten..
zie de foto..

volgend issue wordt het het schuifdakrubber voorkant vervangen.(
waar is het goedkoper?
de dealer of ebay ? op ebay is dat rubber 36 euro incl verzending
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Re: visco fan om617

Berichtdoor Govert » 19 mei 2012, 23:02

En die electroventilator staat voortdurend aan? Dan ben je toch iets aan het verhullen.
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