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100L LPG-tank + extra benzinetank voorzien

Berichtdoor The White Rider » 26 feb 2012, 14:27

Beste W123-LPG'ers

Zoals in mijn project-topic te lezen is, gaat er in juli een IMPCO-installatie geplaatst worden in mijn 280E. Ondanks ik me voorgenomen had om mijn LPG-tank gewoon in de koffer te laten plaatsen, blijft het idee mij achtervolgen om er wat speciaals mee te doen. Ik kan mezelf gewoonweg niet bedwingen! :pinch: Dus vandaag maar aan het meten, passen en tellen geslagen. :)

Koffer gestript van alle afwerking en tapijten. Je ziet hier de benzinetank mooi zitten

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Zo heb ik wat zitten meten en rekenen .. wat kan ik waar kwijt?

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Stel: ik verwijder de benzinetank en laat daar de LPG-tank plaatsen. Een 80L-exemplaar past op die plek zowieso, dat heb ik bij Jos230CE gezien. Maar ik wil absoluut 100L LPG hebben. Die 100L-tank is 93cm lang en 40cm in diameter. Volgens de inbouwer komt daar 2 à 3cm bij in de hoogte voor de bevestigingskader + beugels.

De breedte is geen probleem, er is 98cm voor handen tussen de achterschermen en de uitstekende bevestigingsplaten van de benzinetank zijn snel verwijderd. De hoogte wordt echter krap. Er is om en bij de 44cm ruimte, maar de plekken waar de speakers zitten (zie foto) komen wat lager

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Nu heb ik gemeten en volgens mij heb ik netjes 93cm tussen deze 2 laagste punten (waar dus de speakers zitten) Het is krap, maar die 100L-tank zou moeten passen. Ik moet dan wel het bakje van de EHBO-ruimte, en vacuumreservoir verwijderen.

Dan het volgende euvel: een benzinetank voorzien. Ik ga ze zelf in mekaar lassen, dus de vorm is geen enkel probleem, en er moet voldoende benzine in kunnen. Met 30L neem ik geen genoegen. De vraag is, waar plaats ik ze? Na wat meet en telwerk kom ik uit op 2 mogelijkheden:

Ik maak een tankje in de rechterwang van de koffer (zie foto) en sluit deze aan op de originele vulstop. Dan heb ik ongeveer 30 à 35L.

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Ik kan wel nog zo'n tankje maken in de linkerwang van de koffer, en deze 2 aan de onderzijde met mekaar verbinden (communicerende vaten) met een leiding van ruime diameter via het reservewielcompartiment, en van op deze verbinding een leiding naar de benzinepomp maken. Dan heb ik 50 à 60L benzine mee. Nadeel zal zijn dat het vullen wat trager zal gaan hierdoor.

Een andere oplossing is een benzinetank bouwen in het reservewilecompartiment.

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Dan kom ik makkelijk aan 60L, en het vullen gaat even snel als ervoor. Nadeel hier is geen ruimte voor het reservewiel. Dit kan eventueel opgelost worden met een thuiskomertje, geplaatst in de rechterwang van de koffer.

Waar die benzinetank ook komt, met een LPG-tank van 100L ziet de kofferruimte er dan zo uit:

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Ruimte zat, en de tank zit dan mooi tussen de achterwielen waardoor de Benz minder gaat doorhangen en stabieler zal rijden dan met zo'n tank in de koffer.

Ik ga het nog eens goed overdenken, er is nog tijd zat. En natuurlijk zijn al jullie visies en ideeën van harte welkom!!
Laatst bijgewerkt door The White Rider op 26 feb 2012, 21:59, in totaal 1 keer bewerkt.
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Re: 100L LPG-tank + extra benzinetank voorzien: dilemma

Berichtdoor Coupe280 » 26 feb 2012, 15:13

hoi michael.
voldoet je auto nog wel aan de typegoedkeuring als je die benzinetank maar zo ergens anders naar toe verplaatst.
ik weet niet zeker maar volgens mij is die benzinetank expres door de fabrikant buiten een kreukelzone geplaatst.
dus voor je er aan begint informeer eens of dat wel mag voor de belgische apk?
groet tonnie
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Re: 100L LPG-tank + extra benzinetank voorzien: dilemma

Berichtdoor Wiebren240D » 26 feb 2012, 15:35

Hoi

er waren in de tijd dat ze nog nieuw werden geleverd van die benzine tanken verkrijgbaar die kwamen ook in het rechter achter sherm.
en dan kon de gas tank wat jij wilt doen ook op de plek van de benzine tank hield je bijna dezelfde ruimte over in de kofferbak.
maar wat jij wilt is zelf een tank maken ik weet niet hoe dat met de wet en regelgeving in Belgie zit.

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Re: 100L LPG-tank + extra benzinetank voorzien: dilemma

Berichtdoor Tjeutn » 26 feb 2012, 16:47

als die in belgie als dagelijks verkeer is ingeschreven word die zeker afgepeurd om een geweizigt pvg nummer kortom er word niet meer voldaan aan de goedkeuring van de fabrikant en daar doen ze heel moeilijk over
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Re: 100L LPG-tank + extra benzinetank voorzien: dilemma

Berichtdoor The White Rider » 26 feb 2012, 19:53

Bedankt voor de reacties mannen! :D

Tja, het is altijd wel zo hé. Als Mercedes een tank maakt en die in het reservewielcompartiment steekt, is er geen vuiltje aan de lucht. Als je het zelf doet is het een probleem. Lpg-tanks steken ze daar toch ook, dat bewijst voor mij dat het met de veiligheid wel ok zit. Om de keuring maak ik me geen zorgen, dat komt in orde, geloof me maar. ;)

Nu de technische kant:
Mijn voorkeur gaat uit naar een tank op de plaats van het reservewiel. Als ik hier 1 bouw van 15cm hoog heb ik ongeveer 55L inhoud EN ik kan er zelfs een thuiskomertje bovenop monteren. Da's toch gewoon perfect! :)

Het enige op te lossen euvel, is om de originele benzine-meter te laten werken op deze tank.
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Re: 100L LPG-tank + extra benzinetank voorzien: dilemma

Berichtdoor Trouwkoets » 26 feb 2012, 21:00

Michael, ik heb wel een oplossing voor je ruimteprobleem maar dan moet je wel de helft van je paardjes inleveren :D
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Re: 100L LPG-tank + extra benzinetank voorzien: dilemma

Berichtdoor Eric65 » 26 feb 2012, 21:31

Ik heb de benzine tank gehouden en onder de hoedenplank een 100l LPG tank. Reservewiel zit waar hij altijd zat en daar kun je gewoon bij. LPG vullen achter de kentekenplaat. Zware veren monteren op de achteras en klaar.
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Re: 100L LPG-tank + extra benzinetank voorzien: dilemma

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Re: 100L LPG-tank + extra benzinetank voorzien

Berichtdoor The White Rider » 03 apr 2012, 14:04

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Re: 100L LPG-tank + extra benzinetank voorzien

Berichtdoor Limited 97 » 03 apr 2012, 21:03

En dan maar hopen dat er niemand achterop klapt..
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Re: 100L LPG-tank + extra benzinetank voorzien

Berichtdoor Hans230CE » 03 apr 2012, 22:20

Tja Witte, je kent mijn mening hierover :woohoo: :woohoo: :woohoo: :whistle: :whistle:
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Re: 100L LPG-tank + extra benzinetank voorzien

Berichtdoor Gewoon Ik » 04 apr 2012, 08:16

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Re: 100L LPG-tank + extra benzinetank voorzien

Berichtdoor MB 250 » 04 apr 2012, 08:18

gewoon je benzine tank laten zitten en een gas tank er voor ,dat is het veiligst
100 liter gaat net,is ook nog voordeliger ,aangezien,. waar ik in hamont ,,,tank ,,
boven de 75 liter gas een cent korting krijg per liter :oops:
de oplossing een hulptankje verwerken in een van de bakken ,betekend dat het tankje je buffer zone is geworden
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Re: 100L LPG-tank + extra benzinetank voorzien

Berichtdoor Tjeutn » 04 apr 2012, 08:37

op gas moet je koken ;) waarom wil je er eigenllijk gas op hebben? vind het een grote zonde op jouw mooie auto man

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Re: 100L LPG-tank + extra benzinetank voorzien

Berichtdoor MajikSimon » 04 apr 2012, 09:43

Hallo Beste
Dit vind ik echt gevaarlijk voornamelijk voor jezelf. Die LPG tanks zijn veilig, ook bij aanrijdingen.
Maar een kleine benzinetank in je zijscherm is idd als 1e de klos bij een aanrijding.
Hoeft maar te gaan scheuren..
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Re: 100L LPG-tank + extra benzinetank voorzien

Berichtdoor The White Rider » 04 apr 2012, 13:10

Als bij een aanrijding die tank scheurt, loopt ze leeg door de afwateringsopening van de koffer. Als ze niet scheurt maar enkel wordt samengedrukt, loopt ze leeg via de ontluchting. Er is dus geen sprake van drukopbouw, net hetzelfde als bij een LPG tank dus. En die LPG-tanks steken ze bij T-modellen toch ook op die plaats?

Mocht in het slechtste geval de inhoud van de tank door een aanrijding verspreid worden in de kofferruimte, dan is die nog steeds niet in het interieur van de wagen omdat dit volledig van elkaar gescheiden is door de stalen plaat achter de achterbank.

Willen diegenen die dit gevaarlijk noemen, dat even staven met feiten? Dus waarom daar een benzinetank minder veilig zou zijn dan een LPG-tank. Dan houden we een leuke discussie daarover. ;)
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Re: 100L LPG-tank + extra benzinetank voorzien

Berichtdoor Tjeutn » 04 apr 2012, 13:39

bij een aanrijding loopt die leeg de elec van het achterlicht en elec van de andere auto zullen waarschijnlijk vonken maken en dan heb je BOEM een grot vuurbal daarom waren die oude mini's ook onveilig toen ze overkop gingen
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Re: 100L LPG-tank + extra benzinetank voorzien

Berichtdoor Arie en Nico » 04 apr 2012, 13:51

Micheal

Bij een t-Model zit er ook een klein tankje voor benzine aan de linkerkant bij achterscherm
En de brandstofleidingen lopen daar
Als ze je aan de rechterkant aanrijden hebben al gauw de vulpijp van de tank te pakken
Een aanrijding is zowiezo niet best

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Re: 100L LPG-tank + extra benzinetank voorzien

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Re: 100L LPG-tank + extra benzinetank voorzien

Berichtdoor The White Rider » 04 apr 2012, 14:17

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