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Accu laadt niet (genoeg) op of trekt leeg

Berichtdoor Merrie94 » 17 apr 2022, 02:38

Hallo mede W123 eigenaren,

Mijn accu laadt mogelijk niet of niet goed genoeg op. Ik heb mijn nieuwe accu volledig opgeladen via de druppellader. Vervolgens houdt de accu het misschien een week vol en daarna is die helemaal leeg. Ik rijd niet veel, maar hij zou met mijn ritjes wel moeten opladen.

Wat heb ik al gedaan?
-Accu min pool met draaiende motor losgekoppeld. Motor sloeg niet af.
-Accu doorgemeten. Ik kom uit op ca. 13V en bij gas geven ongeveer 13,4/13,5V.


Is er iemand in de buurt van Noord-Holland of regio Utrecht die ervaring heeft met dit soort kwalen en misschien dynamo’s kan reviseren? Ik vermoed dat het te maken heeft met de dynamo of spanningsregelaar.
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Re: Accu laadt niet (genoeg) op of trekt leeg

Berichtdoor Weizengelb » 17 apr 2022, 08:57

Hoi Mo,

13,5V is niet genoeg voor een goed werkenede dynamo.

Met het loskoppelen van de minpool tijdens het draaien is de dynamo wellicht ook al kapot gegaan, daar kunnen de diodes in de dynamo niet tegen. Brand je dynamolampje niet of flikkert?

Ik zou het in elk geval bij de dynamo zioeken. Een nieuwe is ook niet heel duur en wordt je denk ik al aangeraden ipv reviseren.
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Re: Accu laadt niet (genoeg) op of trekt leeg

Berichtdoor drieske » 17 apr 2022, 09:49

Een gereviseerde dynamo geeft 14.4 volt af, 13,5 volt is te weinig. Een goed adres voor revisie is Rotor in Alkmaar weet ik uit eigen ervaring.
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Re: Accu laadt niet (genoeg) op of trekt leeg

Berichtdoor Merrie94 » 17 apr 2022, 10:49

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Re: Accu laadt niet (genoeg) op of trekt leeg

Berichtdoor wwwW123 » 17 apr 2022, 14:17

? Vergelijken jullie nu een dynamo die in zeg 1975 gebruikt werd met een dynamo voor een auto uit zeg 2022?
Ik meen dat 13,5 netjes is voor toen. Of ik vergis me :)
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Re: Accu laadt niet (genoeg) op of trekt leeg

Berichtdoor Benzhans2 » 17 apr 2022, 15:49

Beetje aan de lage kant. Haal aan de achterzijde ff de spanningsregelaar eraf. Kans is groot dat de koolborstels op zijn. Spanningsregelaar kost zo'n 30 euro en overal verkrijgbaar
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Re: Accu laadt niet (genoeg) op of trekt leeg

Berichtdoor RD500sec » 17 apr 2022, 16:10

Ik denk niet dat je je vergist wwwW123. De laadspanningen zijn omhoog gegaan door de nieuwe accu technologie, de calcium accu’s.

De laadspanning wordt afgeregeld door de spanningsregelaar achterop de dynamo.
Met een nieuwe regelaar kun je kiezen voor een hogere laadspanning, als je dat wilt.
De dynamo kan inderdaad, zoals Math aangeeft beschadigd geraakt zijn door de test met het loshalen van de accuklem.
Een defecte diode (of meerdere) kan hiervan het gevolg zijn. Het is mogelijk dat de accu nu bij stilstand door de dynamo wordt ontladen.
Wat Hans aangeeft, de regelaar demonteren en de koolborstels bekijken, is een goed idee en kost alleen wat inspanning om deze uit te sluiten.

Je kunt zelf de laadspanning testen door bij lopende motor veel verbruikers aan te zetten: achterruitverwarming, blower, groot licht en dan de accuspanning meten bij stationair toerental, en bij een iets hoger toerental, 2000 rpm of zo.
Wat meet je dan?

Als je voor een nieuwe dynamo gaat, koop dan een merkdynamo.
De merkloze varianten zijn veel goedkoper, maar reken dan op een levensduur van hooguit een paar jaar.
Voor een wat hoger bedrag laat je je bestaande dynamo reviseren

Meet eens of je lekstroom hebt bij stilstaande motor, (contact uit) neem dan de massa kabel los van de accu en meet hoeveel amperes er lopen tussen de losgenomen klem en de minpool, doe dat op de 10A stand van je multimeter om te beginnen. Meet je een lekstroom, maak dan de stekker van de dynamo los en kijk of het verandert/ (bijna) weg is. Klok en een eventueel radio geheugen gebruiken iets, maar dat zit ver beneden de 0,5A, eerder 0,05A, maar waarschijnlijk nog minder.
Als dat niet uitmaakt, kun je 1 voor 1 de zekeringen eruit halen om te kijken in welk cicuit de lekstroom zit.
Vervang gelijk de zekeringen voor een met dezelfde waarde als ze nog niet vernieuwd zijn.
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Re: Accu laadt niet (genoeg) op of trekt leeg

Berichtdoor Merrie94 » 18 apr 2022, 19:45

Bedankt allen voor de waardevolle reacties! Ik ben zelf niet heel handig, dus ben niet onder de auto gekropen om te kijken of de koolborstels nog goed zijn.

Met behulp van de uitleg heb ik geprobeerd (!) te werken met de multimeter en de juiste standen toegepast te hebben. Bij elke foto staat wat ik heb gedaan en wat de toestand is.

‘Zonder gebruik van elektra’ spreekt voor zich. Als er ‘met gebruik van elektra’ staat heb ik de lampen, alarmlichten en blower aan.
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Re: Accu laadt niet (genoeg) op of trekt leeg

Berichtdoor RD500sec » 18 apr 2022, 23:28

Helaas heb je de meetsnoeren niet juist in de meter gestoken.
Het zwarte snoer hoort in de onderste poort, de “com” poort.
Bij de meting van de amperes heb je het rode snoer in de juiste poort.
Bij de voltagemeting steek je het rode snoer in de poort waar je op de foto’s de zwarte hebt zitten.
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Re: Accu laadt niet (genoeg) op of trekt leeg

Berichtdoor Merrie94 » 19 apr 2022, 20:44

Beetje kippig geweest gisteren. Vandaag alles opnieuw doorgemeten. Zie hieronder de foto’s met alle resultaten.

‘Zonder gebruik van elektra’ spreekt voor zich. Als er ‘met gebruik van elektra’ staat heb ik de koplampen en alarmlichten aan.

Ik ben ook even bij de garage geweest. Die gaf aan dat de accu wel oplaadt. Een opvallende ontdekking is wel dat als de monteur de meting deed hij een iets hogere voltage kreeg als hij het zwarte pinnetje op het metalen gedeelte van de dynamo zelf plaatste.

Hij wist niet direct waar het aan kon liggen.
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Re: Accu laadt niet (genoeg) op of trekt leeg

Berichtdoor RD500sec » 19 apr 2022, 20:58

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Re: Accu laadt niet (genoeg) op of trekt leeg

Berichtdoor Merrie94 » 19 apr 2022, 23:26

Yes, de monteur heeft de accu ook doorgemeten.

Dus alle massakabels die je hierboven hebt genoemd?


Als je de foto’s ziet is jouw conclusie dan ook dat de accu wel laadt? Is een vreemd raadsel en vervelend met rijden. Heb namelijk zomaar dat die van de een op de andere dag weer leeg is en aan de oplader moet thuis.
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Re: Accu laadt niet (genoeg) op of trekt leeg

Berichtdoor RD500sec » 21 apr 2022, 17:19

De accu is doorgemeten en goed bevonden?, dan kan dat niet de oorzaak zijn.
De accu wordt geladen, zo te zien op je foto’s.
Probeer nog eens een ampere meting met de stand op 200mA en eventueel op 20mA?
Rode draad in de middelste bus voor deze meting.
Voertuig in rust, alles uit, meet je nu wel een stroom in mA?

Van dynamo naar motor loopt de massa waarschijnlijk via de behuizing, maar er kan ook een massadraad zitten.
Anders de bevestiging goed schoon maken, of een massadraad aanleggen.

Het over nacht leeglopen van de accu moet toch een oorzaak hebben, als het laadcircuit en de accu goed zijn, heb je een verbruiker die de accu leeg trekt. Dat kan permanent gebeuren, maar ook zo af en toe, denk aan een relais wat niet afschakelt, een vergeten radio, of verlichting, een el. Antenne die niet in rust komt en daardoor stroom blijft vragen.
Welke opties heeft de auto?
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Re: Accu laadt niet (genoeg) op of trekt leeg

Berichtdoor Merrie94 » 22 apr 2022, 11:37

Ha Richard,

Zoals genoemd opnieuw de meting gedaan op 20 en 200. Ook daar blijft die op 0,00.

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Re: Accu laadt niet (genoeg) op of trekt leeg

Berichtdoor RD500sec » 23 apr 2022, 10:56

Is de meter nog in orde?
Maw kun je stroom meten met de multimeter?
Een lekstroom van 0,00A is ideaal, maar kan eigenlijk niet, je hebt een klok die iets stroom vraagt, en mogelijk ook het geheugen van de radio die iets vraagt, dus ik zou 0,01 of 0,02A verwachten.

Mogelijk dat de el. Ramen de veroorzaker zijn van het ontladen van de accu, er kan een relais blijven plakken zo nu en dan waardoor de accu ontladen wordt. Bij deze manier van meten, het loshalen van de accupool, zul je dat niet snel vinden, dan werkt een stroomtang beter. Daarmee kun je de stroom meten zonder de kabel(s) los te halen.
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Re: Accu laadt niet (genoeg) op of trekt leeg

Berichtdoor Merrie94 » 27 apr 2022, 01:48

De auto heeft nu twee dagen stil gestaan en de accu is alweer leeg.

De meter lijkt mij in orde. Ik zal rondvragen of er iemand is met een stroomtang. Dus als ik het goed begrijp dien ik de stroomtang om de massa kabels heen te plaatsen om te kijken of er stroom afgegeven wordt.

Ik heb wel een dashboardlampje die niet werkt. Ook niet met een ander lampje. Misschien dat dat de oorzaak is?
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Re: Accu laadt niet (genoeg) op of trekt leeg

Berichtdoor Weizengelb » 27 apr 2022, 09:45

Hoi,

Het lampje van de laadspanning in de instrumenteneenheid moet niet kapot zijn, hier moet een stroompje doorheen lopen die zorgt dat de dynamo werkt.

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Re: Accu laadt niet (genoeg) op of trekt leeg

Berichtdoor Merrie94 » 27 apr 2022, 10:37

Goodmorning :-D,

Om welk lampje gaat het hierbij mbt de laadstroom, met het accu symbool? Die werkt gewoon.

Ik bedoelde de verlichting in het dashboardkastje.

Ik heb in mijn teller cockpit de volgende lampjes:

Lampje van de accu (werkt)
Lampje van de handrem (werkt)
Lampje voor grootlicht (werkt)
Lampje voor een rondje met blokjes eromheen (werkt niet, zit ook geen lampje in aan de achterkant en geen idee waar die voor is.
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Re: Accu laadt niet (genoeg) op of trekt leeg

Berichtdoor RD500sec » 27 apr 2022, 11:21

Het laatste lampje is zover ik je beschrijving begrijp voor de remblokslijtage. Met de auto op contact zou deze moeten branden. Daarvoor moet er wel een bolletje inzitten natuurlijk. Zodra de motor loopt, gaat hij uit.

Het acculampje is voor de laadstroomcontrole, dat is wat Math ook bedoelt. Dit lampje zorgt voor de bekrachtiging van de veldspoelen in de dynamo, zodat deze begint te laden.

Het lampje in het dashboardkastje brandt bij ingeschakelde ontsteking en ingeschakelde verlichting bij openen van het deksel. Daar zal je probleem niet zitten verwacht ik, een lampje die niet brandt, zal de accu niet leegtrekken.

Een stroomtang plaats je inderdaad om een kabel heen waar je de stroom die erdoor loopt van wilt meten.
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Re: Accu laadt niet (genoeg) op of trekt leeg

Berichtdoor Merrie94 » 27 apr 2022, 14:53

Accu lampje brand inderdaad met contact aan, maar daarna gaat die weer uit. Zoals het hoort.

Is er iemand van het forum bij wie ik de auto kan brengen om, tegen vergoeding uiteraard, ernaar te laten kijken?
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