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Berichtdoor sjh » 21 nov 2014, 20:13

hallo
ik heb een 300TD uit 1979. Vanmiddag stond ik zonder diesel langs de weg. Tankje erin gegooid en vervolgens gepompt met de handpomp. Toen ik vervolgens wegreed merkte ik dat ie veel te laat en raar overschakelt naar 3 (hoge toeren en dan loslaten) en zn 4 helemaal niet meer.

In de motorruimte lijken de slangen goed te zijn (2 cremekleurige). Iemand een idee wat het kan zijn? Of iemand in Rotterdam eo die mij kan helpen?

alvast bedankt
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Re: automaatbak schakelt niet meer op

Berichtdoor Govert » 21 nov 2014, 20:18

Ik vermoed dat je een vacuümleiding hebt losgetrokken. Heb je een foto van de motorruimte?
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Re: automaatbak schakelt niet meer op

Berichtdoor sjh » 21 nov 2014, 20:48

....
Laatst bijgewerkt door sjh op 21 nov 2014, 21:01, in totaal 1 keer bewerkt.
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Re: automaatbak schakelt niet meer op

Berichtdoor sjh » 21 nov 2014, 21:00

zie geen loszittende slangen. Wel is op foto dat te zien dat zwart en broos lijkt.
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Re: automaatbak schakelt niet meer op

Berichtdoor Govert » 21 nov 2014, 21:52

Je bak is niet vacuümgestuurd, dus het vacuüm kunnen we uitsluiten.

Laat schakelen wordt in principe door de gasstangen geregeld, bewegen die normaal en zitten ze allemaal vast?

Daarna kan nog de kickdownschakelaar vastzitten, dan krijg je het ook. Je kan het stekkertje bovenop de schakelaar (de schakelaar zit onder de gaspedaal) er even uittrekken om te testen.
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Re: automaatbak schakelt niet meer op

Berichtdoor sjh » 21 nov 2014, 22:10

gasstangen bewegen normaal. Hoe kom ik bij die kickdownschakelaar?
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Berichtdoor Robin-H » 21 nov 2014, 23:33

Met je hand onder je gaspedaal voelen, daar zit de knop. Beetje rommelen, wat govert zegt... het kan zijn dat ie vast zit.
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Re: automaatbak schakelt niet meer op

Berichtdoor Govert » 21 nov 2014, 23:48

De schakelaar zit op het schutbord, het gaspedaal drukt er tegenaan als je het gaspedaal helemaal intrapt. Het kan helpen om de mat even te verwijderen, dan zie je hem beter. Bovenin zit een stekker die je er uit kan trekken. Als je de schakelaar niet in en uit kan drukken, dan geeft het een aardige indicatie dat de schakelaar vast zit.
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Re: automaatbak schakelt niet meer op

Berichtdoor Bram Jansen » 21 nov 2014, 23:58

Het plaatje

Bij deze foto is wel de dop eraf, dus die moet je er even bij denken.
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Re: automaatbak schakelt niet meer op

Berichtdoor sjh » 22 nov 2014, 00:27

ok bedankt!
ga morgen meteen kijken...
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Re: automaatbak schakelt niet meer op

Berichtdoor sjh » 22 nov 2014, 10:28

stekker uit kickdown maakt geen verschil.
Klachts is dus:
veel te laat opschakelen naar 2 en 3
4e versnelling helemaal niet meer, maar misschien moet ik daarvoor harder dan 90...
flink gas geven, gas helemaal los en dan schakelt ie (even soepel als eerst, maar te laat dus)
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Re: automaatbak schakelt niet meer op

Berichtdoor sjh » 22 nov 2014, 10:31

is het een idee filter en atf te verversen? Is al jaren niet meer gebeurd.
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Re: automaatbak schakelt niet meer op

Berichtdoor Govert » 22 nov 2014, 11:52

Olie en filter vervangen is zeker aan te raden. Normale interval is elke 45.000–60.000 km.

Eventueel zou nog kunnen dat je de rubbers van de stang van je pook naar de automaatbak weg zijn, dan staat je bak wellicht in S, maar dat voel je meestal wel aan de pook.
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Re: automaatbak schakelt niet meer op

Berichtdoor sjh » 22 nov 2014, 12:52

ik heb tijdens rijden al gevoeld tussen s en d maar zit niks `tussen`
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Re: automaatbak schakelt niet meer op

Berichtdoor sjh » 22 nov 2014, 13:18

brug vd garage is stuk dus kan er pas maandag terecht, iig oliewissel (atf) en evt filterwissel. Als filter goed is schoon te maken kan ik m toch weer gebruiken?
en is filter zelfde als die van een W124?
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Berichtdoor Govert » 22 nov 2014, 13:38

Filter kan je niet schoonmaken, net zo min als het motoroliefilter kan schoonmaken. Filter moet gewoon vervangen worden bij oliewissel. Vergeet niet de olie uit de koppelomvormer te laten lopen. Juist door een verstopt filter ontstaan oliedrukproblemen.

Het is niet hetzelfde als de W124. Er zijn verschillende typen filter, afhankelijk van de automaatbak.

Heb je de olie wel een gepeild?
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Re: automaatbak schakelt niet meer op

Berichtdoor sjh » 22 nov 2014, 14:25

ja, en wegenwacht heeft ook gepeild en dat was goed. Heb nog bij een kennis een filter W124 liggen, die zal m opsturen. scheelt toch weer paar tientjes als t past.
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Berichtdoor sjh » 29 nov 2014, 16:54

Volgens Adem transmissie in vlaardingen moet ik aan een nieuwe bak. Heeft iemand er toevallig een liggen? 722.118
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Re: automaatbak schakelt niet meer op

Berichtdoor Robin-H » 29 nov 2014, 17:14

Een nieuwe bak vind ik een beetje een kortzichtige diagnose... je moet het natuurlijk zelf weten, maar ik zou 't zo snel niet opgeven. Zeker als de bak voor de issues wel gewoon goed schakelde, dan zou ik eerst eens proberen of je iets vreemd kunt vinden in het schakelhuis (valve body) of in het achterste deel van de bak. Beide kunnen gedemonteerd worden met de bak in de auto.

Het principe van hoe een automaat schakelt is eigenlijk doodsimpel. Je hebt een klep die aan de ene kant onder veerdruk staat en aan de andere kant ingedrukt wordt door de regeldruk. De regeldruk wordt opgewekt met een "governor" die via centrifugale kracht aan de uitgaande as van de bak de snelheid omzet in oliedruk (Regeldruk). Als de regeldruk hoger is dan de kracht van de veer, dan beweegt de klep en wordt de juiste versnelling geactiveerd. Druk je het gaspedaal dieper in? Dan is er nog een andere oliedruk (control pressure) die aan de tegenovergestelde zijde van de regeldruk werkt en dus zorgt dat de bak later opschakelt.

Kortom:
Vroeg opschakelen: te weinig controlpressure, slappe veren of hoge regeldruk
Laat opschakelen: te veel controlpressure of lage regeldruk.

De regeldruk wordt gecreeërd in het achterste deel van de versnellingsbak, maar wordt in het valve body pas echt gebruikt. Het probleem kan dus in beide zitten. Laatstgenoemde is het eenvoudigste te verwijderen. Pan los, filter eraf en 10 M12-bouten losdraaien. In het werkplaatshandboek staat alles uitgebreid gedocumenteerd.
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Re: automaatbak schakelt niet meer op

Berichtdoor Govert » 29 nov 2014, 17:24

Is de schakeling van 2 naar 3 wel goed?
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