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Elektrisch schuifdak renovatie

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Elektrisch schuifdak renovatie

Berichtdoor 280 '76 » 03 maart 2014, 18:56

De zon begint weer meer te schijnen en dus gaan we weer meer genieten van die geel/goude vriend.
Een schuifdakje geeft dan wat extra plezier.

In december heb ik een leuke 280E gekocht met schuifdak. Nu zat die al dicht getaped dus ik had al een vermoeden dat die niet helemaal oke was. Vorige week heb ik de tape eraf gehaald en bleek het dak in ieder geval mooi open en dicht te gaan, zij het moeizaam. Ik heb de boel even bekeken en kwam er al snel achter dat de cassettebak behoorlijk aan het verrotten was op de welbekende twee hoeken vooraan.

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Dit betekent dus uit de auto halen en kijken of het te redden valt. Ik heb nog een mooie nagenoeg roestvrije cassette liggen van een handmatig bediend dak dus misschien kan ik de hoeken eraf slijpen en op de andere cassette lassen. Nu heb ik alles al een heel eind los. Dakje is eruit en de hemelbekleding is een heel eind los, dankzij de vele onderwerpen op dit forum. Er staat alleen niet veel over de elektrische daken, behalve deze link die ik hier ergens vond:

http://db6wy.de/pics/230CE/schiebedach/dach.htm

Nu loop ik echter vast. Ik heb geen idee hoe de hemel boven de achterbank vast zit aan het dak cq cassettebak. Ik wil er niet teveel aan trekken want als het scheurt ... afijn, dan komt waarschijnlijk mijn donkerste woordenschat naar boven ;)

Dus mijn vraag: wie weet hoe de hemel verder (in het midden) vast zit? En is de cassette via het gat van het schuifdak uit de auto te krijgen? Bij een handmatig dak weet ik dat je wat om moet buigen om hem er net doorheen te krijgen.

Elke tip is welkom.
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Re: Elektrisch schuifdak renovatie

Berichtdoor Coupe280 » 03 maart 2014, 20:16

hoi jon.
voor 2 maand geleden heb ik een 280coupe gesloopt en het elektrische dak samen met cassette uit de auto gehaald .
maar die cassette kon absoluut niet door het gat in het dak .
ik denk dat het bij een sedan ook niet kan , volgens mij zal toch echt de hele hemelbekleding eruit moeten.
er loopt iets van een spanrail overdwars tegen het dak waar hemelbekleding aan vast gemaakt is dacht ik mij te herinneren.
je zal volgens mij de hele hemelbekleding rondom aan de randen los moeten maken kan wezen dat het niet hoeft boven de achterruit..
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Re: Elektrisch schuifdak renovatie

Berichtdoor 280 '76 » 03 maart 2014, 20:44

Dat is dan niet zo mooi want reparatie terwijl de cassette nog in de auto ligt is niet bepaald handig. Hoe heb je de cassette er uiteindelijk uitgekregen?

De bekleding heb ik nu tot voorbij de B-stijl los. Ik kan alleen de spanrail niet vinden. Ik wil alles los hebben tot aan de achterruit. Ik heb namelijk niet veel zin om de hele achterruit eruit te halen.

Het betreft overigens een Webasto. Ik dacht altijd dat deze schuifdaken achteraf pas werden ingebouwd. Dan zal men de cassette ooit toch ook de auto in hebben moeten krijgen...
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Re: Elektrisch schuifdak renovatie

Berichtdoor Hans230CE » 03 maart 2014, 21:05

Webasto is ook leverancier van schuifdaken aan autofabrikanten, niet alleen de after-market. Zo maken ze ook bepaalde klapdaken van CC cabrio's en ook de stoffen daken. Ik dacht dat die van de EOS (VW) van hun kwam.


Zoek eens naar een topic van Toontje over schuifdak reparatie, of in ieder geval de schuifdak-cassette vernieuwen.
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Re: Elektrisch schuifdak renovatie

Berichtdoor 280 '76 » 03 maart 2014, 21:10

Oke. Dus het kan zijn dat Webasto af-fabriek is geplaatst.

Ik heb volgens mij het hele forum al doorgespit Hans, maar ik kom alleen manuele schuifdaken tegen, helaas. Ik hoop dat ik de cassette er uit kan krijgen anders ben ik bang dat ik de boel moet slopen en er een manueel dak voor in de plaats zet. Die heb ik nog in mooie staat liggen. Wel jammer van zo'n elektriek dakkie. Ding doet het verder prima. Alleen die rotte hoeken he.. :evil:
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Re: Elektrisch schuifdak renovatie

Berichtdoor Coupe280 » 03 maart 2014, 21:17

ik weet het niet zeker meer maar ik was die auto aan het slopen dus stoelen en banken waren er al uit.
en volgens mij heb ik hem door de deuropening naar buiten gehaald.
het was een behoorlijke zware klus om dat alleen te doen dat weet ik wel.
die spanrail overdwars zit voorbij de b stijl richting c stijlen , ergens midden boven achterbank.

ik heb net even opgemeten maar dat elektriesche dak cassettte is 1 meter lang en 1 meter breed.
ik kan mij niet voorstellen dat een handbediende korter is .
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Berichtdoor 280 '76 » 03 maart 2014, 21:30

Oke. Dus als ik het goed begrijp zit er een spanrail overdwars. Ik zal morgen nog eens een keer in alle rust kijken hoe het vast zit. Ik neem aan dat ik de spanrail er ergens aan beide kanten uit moet kunnen klikken. En als het moet haal ik de achterdeur en bank eruit. De achterdeur moet toch worden vervangen en hoeft alleen nog maar te worden gespoten.

ps. bedankt voor het opmeten. Ik zal de handbediende cassette morgen ook even opmeten. Als de maten gelijk zijn dan moet ik de cassette met het verbuigen van een beugel door het gat in het dak kunnen krijgen (Toontje is het ook gelukt las ik ergens).
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Re: Elektrisch schuifdak renovatie

Berichtdoor Coupe280 » 03 maart 2014, 21:39

ja klopt het schijnt wel te kunnen door het gat naar buiten.
zoekfunctie ( dakcassette ) kom je het tegen
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Re: Elektrisch schuifdak renovatie

Berichtdoor 280 '76 » 03 maart 2014, 21:43

http://www.oudebenzclub.nl/forum/oude-b ... e-uit-1977

Nog wat plaatjes gevonden van een W116 restauratie op oude Benz club. Voor eenieder die hetzelfde als ik wil doen is elke info welkom, dacht ik zo.

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Re: Elektrisch schuifdak renovatie

Berichtdoor Hans230CE » 03 maart 2014, 21:53

Ik heb volgende gevonden, maar kijk voor de zekerheid eens onder:

technische-onderwerpen-en-forumhulp-f22.html

dan

carrosserie-projecten-t13764.html

dan oa dit en nog veel mer:

en-nu-maar-hopen-dat-het-dicht-is-t3195.html?hilit=en%20nu%20maar%20hopen%20dat%20het%20dicht%20is


En er is nog veel te vinden via de "zoek" functie, bel anders eens met Toon,die legt het je wel uit.
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Re: Elektrisch schuifdak renovatie

Berichtdoor 280 '76 » 03 maart 2014, 22:07

Bedankt voor de hulp Hans.

Ik heb de linkjes al bekeken en inderdaad, er is best veel te vinden over schuifdaken. Alleen over de elektrische daken nog niet. Wellicht dat mijn projectje daar verandering in gaat brengen. Ik denk dat ik je raad (Toontje bellen) opvolg als ik er morgen niet uit kom. Het meest ben ik gerust gesteld mbt het uit de auto halen van de cassette. De maten voor "manual" en "power" zijn waarschijnlijk gelijk aan elkaar en inmiddels heb ik op het forum ook al gelezen dat je inderdaad kunt kiezen voor het verwijderen van een achterdeur en de bank.
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Re: Elektrisch schuifdak renovatie

Berichtdoor Tjeutn » 03 maart 2014, 22:14

hoi
wanneer de zetels eruit zijn kan het via de deuren eruit (de cassettebak)
de hemel zit achteraan tussen de achterruit en voor de hemel te verwijderen moet die eruit ik heb mijn achterraamrubber via steronderdelen.nl voor iets meer dan 40 euro


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Re: Elektrisch schuifdak renovatie

Berichtdoor 280 '76 » 03 maart 2014, 22:21

Een tip om de hemel los te krijgen ter hoogte van de achterkant van het schuifdak:

De hemel los krijgen ter hoogte van de achterkant van het schuifdak gaat gepaard met zweetdruppeltjes, bang om het stuk te trekken. Het zit allemaal erg vast en zeker als er lekkage is geweest heb je kans dat het karton waar de hemel omheen gedraaid zit opgezwollen is. Hierbij een tip: Pak een plamuurmes en steek deze voorzichtig tussen de rand en de hemel en wrik de rand een klein beetje omhoog. dan komt de hemel een stuk gemakkelijker los.

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Re: Elektrisch schuifdak renovatie

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Re: Elektrisch schuifdak renovatie

Berichtdoor Robin-H » 03 maart 2014, 23:00

Ziehier:
http://Mercedes.thatchermathias.com/w12 ... 68-430.pdf

Ik denk dat als je hem gewoon losmaakt tot aan de achterruit dat de bak er wel uit moet kunnen. Hij zal lang zijn, maar niet dusdanig lang dat ie helemaal tot het achterruittrubber komt. Hij moet immers ook in de coupé passen en dat dak lijkt me toch een stukje korter dan die van de sedan.
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Re: Elektrisch schuifdak renovatie

Berichtdoor 280 '76 » 03 maart 2014, 23:29

Ik ga er inderdaad vanuit dat het moet passen. Een handbediende bak kan er tenslotte ook uit. Dat heeft Bram laatst ook bij een T gedaan. Ik vroeg (vraag) me alleen af hoe de geleiding van de kabels loopt. Dat zou maar net voor wat extra mm kunnen zorgen. Maar goed, eerst de hemel ongeschonden los zien te krijgen.

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Re: Elektrisch schuifdak renovatie

Berichtdoor Frankie68 » 04 maart 2014, 00:07

ik heb vorige zomer mijn electrisch dak+ cassete vervangen door een handbediend dak van mijn 300D
ik het het stuur eruit gehaald en de stoelen naar achter geklapt
het was binnen een paar uur gedaan
erin manoeuvreren gaat wel maar de cassette op zijn plaats houden voor de schroeven, gaat beter met zijn tweeën
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Re: Elektrisch schuifdak renovatie

Berichtdoor 280 '76 » 04 maart 2014, 00:15

Kijk eens aan. Zo kom ik telkens een stapje verder :)

Je hebt het stuur eruit gehaald. Heb je dat gedaan om de cassette eruit/-in te krijgen? En weet je ook nog hoe je de hemel hebt los gehaald boven de achterbank?
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Berichtdoor Frankie68 » 04 maart 2014, 00:56

die kun je toch gewoon laten zitten?
dan rol je de bekleding gewoon naar achteren op?

stuur eruit was idd om net meer ruimte te hebben..hij ging er aan de berijders kant eruit de cassette

de orginele kabel heb ik door gezaagd..

ik moet zeggen dat ik er ontzettend blij mee was..met de handbediende versie
hij staat nu op stal trouwens, de 300D :sad

rij nu in de 200D met 358 euro per kwartaal :devil
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Re: Elektrisch schuifdak renovatie

Berichtdoor 280 '76 » 04 maart 2014, 01:19

De hemel laat ik ook zitten maar die moet wel ver genoeg los om de cassette eruit te krijgen. En ja, zo'n handbediende is ook geen slechte optie. Scheelt een hoop gedoe.

In ieder geval bedankt voor je tips.

En wat die RDW betreft... ik zeg maar niks.
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