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kachel W123 300D dood

Berichtdoor Arjan23 » 27 jul 2016, 17:58

Vandaag mn nieuwe auto opgehaald en wat mij op viel tijdens de thuis reis is dat de kachel het niet doet .
Na thuis komst ben ik maar gaan kijken van wat hier de oorzaak van is en na een uurtje tussen het dashboard te hebben gekronkeld heb ik de moed al snel opgegeven
Waar ik achter kwam is dat de hele klimaat unit buiten werking is gesteld en dat de kachel zo dood als een pier is.
stekkers zijn verdwenen en vacuüm leidingen niet aangesloten terwijl de rest van de van de auto het wel doet
Maar goed aangezien me W123 300D uit de usa komt vrees is dat het geen simpele oplossing gaat worden '
Als ik nu alleen maar de blower aan en uit kan zetten dan ben ik tevreden wie weet wat voor mij wat de simpelste oplossing is ???????
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Re: kachel W123 300D dood

Berichtdoor Wiebren240D » 28 jul 2016, 11:22

Hoi Arjen

wat voor kachel zit erin de auto?
een gewone kachel werkt altijd maar een kachel met airco is een ander verhaal.
vertel even hoe oud de auto is
dit kan nog wel eens een kostbare reparatie worden.

ik wens je suc6
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Re: kachel W123 300D dood

Berichtdoor Arjan23 » 28 jul 2016, 11:45

Bedankt voor je reactie maar ik heb een auto uit the usa 1978 met het wel beroemde servo motor voor climate control
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de servo is al afgekoppelt en er is ooit eens een replacement kit aangebracht om dit alles te omzeilen Het problem wat ik heb is dat op de knoppen low and hi niks gebeurd ik hoor wel wat onder het dashboord maar het blaast geen lucht uit de gaten

de knop defrost en die er onder maken ook geluid maar daar blijft het bij daar bij heb ik ook nog een groene draard of slang los onder de handschoenkast zitten en geen idee waar het op aangesloten moet worden .
Ik heb inmiddels wel op Mercedessource .com allemaal YouTube filmpjes zitten bekijken over dit problem en daar leggen ze uitt dat je ook een groot problem hebt met dit systeem dus wijzer wordt ik er niet van Ik begin al spijt te krijgen van dit opject wat ik gekocht heb maar ja mischien is er nog hoop wie weet
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Re: kachel W123 300D dood

Berichtdoor Wiebren240D » 28 jul 2016, 21:10

Hallo Arjan23

heb je ook een foto van het kachel gebeuren in de auto dan word het denk ik duidelijker wat er in jou auto zit.
dat de servo is af gekoppeld zegt mij niet zoveel.
je bedoelt denk ik de aircopomp die op de moter zit dat die niet meer word aangedreven door een V snaar.
want servo heeft met de stuurbekrachtiging te maken en als die niet werkt stuurt de auto echt heel erg zwaar is niet echt prettig.

ik wens je suc6 met de zoektocht.
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Re: kachel W123 300D dood

Berichtdoor Mark300DT » 28 jul 2016, 22:06

Wordt denk ik de WIS er bij halen en van af het begin beginnen.

Onderdelen zijn wel bij Mercedes Only te verkrijgen.

De regel unit (achter het handschoenen kastje ) is ook nog gereviseerd te verkrijgen. Die adverteren op MP.

Het is wel te doen met wat tijd en inspanning.

Je kunt altijd komen kijken.
Alleen ik heb climate type 2.

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Re: kachel W123 300D dood

Berichtdoor Bart200D » 28 jul 2016, 22:42

Hoy. Ik heb ook een 300D uit de USA. Had dezelfde symptomen dan jou. Heb gekozen voor uitbouw van het hele systeem en een gewone kachel ingeplaatst. In mijn topic kan je hiervan nog iets terugvinden. Succes


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Re: kachel W123 300D dood

Berichtdoor Bart200D » 29 jul 2016, 09:03

Waarschijnlijk heb jij type 1. Zaten in de eerste voyagers van Chrysler ook


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Re: kachel W123 300D dood

Berichtdoor Arjan23 » 29 jul 2016, 23:05

Ik heb inmiddels een nieuwe fan gevonden Beetje duur maar er is er geen een te vinden op de sloop . Over je airco. Je kunt ook een ombouw servomodule voor je klimaat control krijgen die gaat op stroom met een aparte klep tussen de slangen maar die is tussen 600 a 700 euro ////mischien ooit is///
Wat ik zie is dat de compresor er nog in zit in me W123 maar de v snaar is verdwenen en ik weet ook niet of ie nog goed is Hoe kan je zoiets controleren eigenlijk ?
Maar mn schuifdakkie is ook verkoelend ben er tevreden mee
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Re: kachel W123 300D dood

Berichtdoor RD500sec » 30 jul 2016, 17:03

Je kan de electrische koppeling voor de poelie inschakelen en kijken of de poelie dan de kompressor meeneemt, dan weet je dat de koppeling nog werkt.
Als de compressor draait zonder bijgeluiden, kijk dan in het kijkglas van de droger of er belletjes voorbij komen met inschakelen van de compressor. Ook kan je, als de compressor draait het ventiel van (dikke) zuigleiding even indrukken en kijken of er vacuum in de leiding is, dat is een indicatie dat de pomp nog werkt. Het ventiel zit onder de zwarte dop. Ook de hoge druk leiding heeft er 1, deze leiding is dunner, hier zal een overdruk ontstaan.
Het systeem zal hoogst waarschijnlijk leeg zijn of er zal te weinig koudemiddel inzitten om te koelen.

Je spreekt over een servo, bedoel je het monoventiel wat tussen de motor en de kachelslangen zit?
Hierin zit een rubberen membraan welke vaak lek is, de kachel werkt dan niet zoals het hoort.
Erzijn revisie setjes te krijgen, een kern met rubber voorgemonteerd.
Er zit een klein stekkertje op het monoventiel, geen spanning, ventiel staat open en laat water door.
Wel spanning, 12 volt ventiel staat dicht, geen doorlaat van water naar de kachel.
Let op als je het monoventiel open maakt, de pinnen waar het stekkertje op gaat zijn met dunne draadjes verbonden met de spoel in het ventiel, lift het deksel voorzichtig en kijk of de spoel meekomt. Blijft de spoel zitten, kan je de draadjes zo afbreken, dus met beleid en de nodige voorzichtigheid te werk gaan.

Als je je verdiept in het systeem is reparatie best mogelijk, het zal de nodige uren kosten, je zult defecte onderdelen tegen komen, laat je niet uit het veld slaan en repareer dat ding.
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Re: kachel W123 300D dood

Berichtdoor Arjan23 » 30 jul 2016, 20:20

Hoi ten eerste bedankt voor het mee denken en het wordt me allemaal steeds duidelijker ik zal wat fotos maken en hier op zette dan wordt het voor jullie ook duidelijker wat mij weer een eind op weg helpt . Ik heb vandaag een ritje brussel gedaan met de automatische piloot dat werkte gelukkig wel .
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Re: kachel W123 300D dood

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Re: kachel W123 300D dood

Berichtdoor Arjan23 » 31 jul 2016, 16:31

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Re: kachel W123 300D dood

Berichtdoor Arjan23 » 31 jul 2016, 16:34

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Re: kachel W123 300D dood

Berichtdoor RD500sec » 31 jul 2016, 23:49

De auto ziet er nog goed uit Arjan!

Het busje WD 40 kan je in elke bouwmarkt kopen :mrgreen:
Het motortje voor de interieur ventilator is lastiger te vinden.
Probeer eens een te koop gevraagd advertentie op dit forum, of ga naar Mercedes only in Hapert? Of van Doorn in Zaltbommel, die kunnen je vast helpen.
Misschien heeft Klasse Klassiek hem ook wel.
Met vriendelijke groet, Richard
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Re: kachel W123 300D dood

Berichtdoor Wietse » 01 aug 2016, 08:41

Bezint voordat je begint, veel geld en veel werk! Ik heb ook een ombouw gedaan naar gewone kachel, maar was ook ontzettend veel werk, maar koste bijna niks.
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Re: kachel W123 300D dood

Berichtdoor Arjan23 » 01 aug 2016, 09:03

Het ombouwen naar een gewone kachel had ik ook aan zitten denken maar ik heb een paar nieuwe koolborstels gevonden voor 25 euro en de lagers zijn nog goed en mocht ie ooit de geest geven kan ik hem altijd nog ombouwen En misschien herstel ik alles wel zo ook de klimaat controle dat zou helemaal geweldig zijn op Mercedessource leggen ze precies uit hoe dat moet

bedankt voor het compliment dat ie nog mooi uit ziet vond ik zelf ook. Ik heb er nog niks aan gedaan en zo gekocht alleen vraag ik me soms wel is af of ik er niet te veel voor betaald heb maar ja ik ben wel heel blij met dit mooie benzje en dat is ook wat waard

Het lijkt me leuk om bij een echte liefhebber die al wat jaren mee gaat met dit model om daar eens een kijkje te mogen nemen want daar leer ik natuurlijk ook wat van Want ik heb het virus geloof ik ook te pakken
Ik heb een lijstje van onderdelen die ik kan bestellen op een website ik wil even wat meningen horen duur of niet duur ?


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Re: kachel W123 300D dood

Berichtdoor Tjeutn » 01 aug 2016, 12:43

reken wel dat er nog doane kosten bij komen en het meeste kun je in be en nl ook krijgen
onderdelen van een W124 nodig pb me
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Re: kachel W123 300D dood

Berichtdoor Arjan23 » 01 aug 2016, 17:26

Als ik me kachel motor hier wil laten maken ben ik bijna 300 euro kwijt want koolborstel van 20 euro zijn hier niet te krijgen dus wordt het een nieuwe want die zijn er wel bij de mercedez dealer Een reparatie set voor een vacuum pomp kan ik bij mijn weten ook niet hier krijgen dus dat wordt ook een nieuwe of sloop Dus als ik de hele handel uit de usa laat komen ben ik gelijk klaar hoef de deur niet uit om stad en land af te zoeken voor het gene wat ik nodig heb want ook dat kost tijd en geld En wat ook nog zo is ik heb nog nooit aan een Mercedes gesleuteld wel heel veel ervaring met austin mini maar met meecedes 0 dus is het handig voor mij dat bij alles een beschijving gedaan wordt over hoe en wat en ook dat scheeld uit zoek tijd Het zal ongetwijfwld goed koper kunnen maar dan wel met veel ervaring en bekende adressen en die heb ik helaas niet En het laten doen tja daar weet je het andwoord wel op denk ik zo
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Re: kachel W123 300D dood

Berichtdoor Wim Matsinger » 01 aug 2016, 18:04

Beste Arjan,

Gefeliciteerd met je prachtige 300D. Ik zie dat je deze bij Sterkmerk hebt gekocht in Bussum.

Als de wagen in goede conditie is op alle overige punten is de prijs niet te hoog mijn inziens.
Ik heb zelf een 300D in zeer goede staat en dan zit de waarde ook boven de 10 k.

Een goedkopere Benz in topstaat krijgen kost ook gaande weg heel veel geld.
Succes met de airco, ik persoonlijk zou er een normale kachel inbouwen, omdat het nogal prijzig kan worden met een niet 100 procent zeker eind resultaat.

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