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Olie in de vacuumslag?

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Olie in de vacuumslag?

Berichtdoor Bigm1977 » 29 sep 2018, 14:51

Hoi,

Een vacuüm vraag.... Het is me deze week pas op gevallen dat ik olie in de vacuumslag heb van de pomp richting spruitstuk. Heb ik een lek ergens? Vacuumpomp kapot of wat kan dit zijn.

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Re: Olie in de vacuumslag?

Berichtdoor Wiebren240D » 29 sep 2018, 16:05

Hoi

je vacuum membraam is aan het stuk gaan zit in de vacuumpomp
niet te lang mee door rijden

wens je suc6 met het herstel

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Re: Olie in de vacuumslag?

Berichtdoor Bigm1977 » 29 sep 2018, 18:10

Kijken of ik een revisie setje kan vinden, moet ik ergens op opletten bij het uit elkaar draaien van de pomp?
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Re: Olie in de vacuumslag?

Berichtdoor Wiebren240D » 29 sep 2018, 21:27

Hoi

gewoon het deksel dat voorop de vacuümpomp eraf halen.
wel eerst de plastic slangen los draaien en dan de boutjes los dan zie je het membraam zitten.
dan het boutje los draaien dan komt het membraam los goed op letten hoe je het uit elkaar en dan weer net zo in elkaar zetten.
en wel het kleine dekseltje wat met 2 kleine boutjes vast los maken en goed met remreiniger schoon maken en dan weer goed in elkaar zetten de pakking die daar in zit met de 2 klepjes zit meestal wel bij het nieuwe membraan

een nieuw membraam kost in de buurt van de 25 euro.

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Re: Olie in de vacuumslag?

Berichtdoor Weizengelb » 30 sep 2018, 11:11

Hoi,

Het is goed om je pomp in de gaten te houden, als ze helemaal stukk gaan kunnen onderdelen ervan tussen de distributieketting vallen.

Ik heb er een aantal gereviseerd. Het losdraaien van de schroeven is soms lastig, ze breken graag af. Goed schoonmaken en inspuiten met kruipolie dus. Eventueel nieuwe schroeven kopen.

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Re: Olie in de vacuumslag?

Berichtdoor Bigm1977 » 30 sep 2018, 20:43

Hoi,

de pomp in de gaten houden? hoe bedoel je dit, luisteren of die gekken geluiden maakt of hoe kun je dit doen.

Bouten breken inderdaad heel snel af, de waterflens 1x vervangen... was niet leuk ;)
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Re: Olie in de vacuumslag?

Berichtdoor Govert » 30 sep 2018, 23:52

De lagers van de pomp kunnen stuk gaan, die kan je ook vervangen bij een revisie. Je kan ook de hele vork vervangen, maar dat is nogal duur (als het nog leverbaar is). Het nadeel is dat het stuk gaan van de lagers zich lastig laat voorspellen.

Verder is het aan te raden om de diverse schroeven met het juiste moment vast te zetten. De twee plaatjes waar het membraan tussen zit moeten met de bolle kant naar het membraan.
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Re: Olie in de vacuumslag?

Berichtdoor Bigm1977 » 06 okt 2018, 14:37

Gelukt denk ik ;) , ga zo meteen ff met de Benz rijden. Hoe merk ik of alles goed gemonteerd is. Motor loop rustig en remmen doen het ook. ik heb drie handboeken van de Benz, maar info over de vacuümpomp bij nagenoeg nul.

De oude membraan was lichtelijk op, nieuwe gemonteerd en alles netjes schoon gemaakt :)
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Re: Olie in de vacuumslag?

Berichtdoor Wiebren240D » 06 okt 2018, 16:44

Hoi

ziet er weer goed uit.
heb je de klepjes in het bovenste deel ook schoon gemaakt.
dan gewoon weer lekker rijden denk ik

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Re: Olie in de vacuumslag?

Berichtdoor Bigm1977 » 06 okt 2018, 17:19

Jazeker, heb braaf je stappen plan gevolgd, slangen los, demonteren, alles schoonmaken incl. Kleine box op de pomp en weer terug bouwen.

Net een rondtje gereden en niks geks gemerkt, morgen ga ik wat meer km rijden.
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Re: Olie in de vacuumslag?

Berichtdoor Weizengelb » 07 okt 2018, 09:29

Hoi M,

Ziet er weer netjes uit! IS dat een Trucktec membraan?
Ik heb laatst verschillende gekocht en ben benieuwd welke het sterkst blijken.
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Over de pompen staat niet veel beschreven in de boeken, ik denk dat ze wilden dat er gewoon een nieuwe gekocht werd.

Inderdaad is in de gaten houden een kwestie van luisteren of er geen gekke geluiden zijn.
Deze pomp is kapot gelopen en heeft mijn OM615 motor vernield destijds. Er waren al 500 km gekke geluiden, een soort ratelen, maar omdat ik de motor net had laten reviseren wilde ik dat die man er naar zou kijken... De rembekrachtiging deed het nog tot het einde, het membraan was niet kapot maar de lagers wel. De hele arm is uiteindelijk afgebroken en weggesleten.
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Hier nieuwe lagertjes erbij.
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Re: Olie in de vacuumslag?

Berichtdoor Bigm1977 » 07 okt 2018, 11:26

Ik vermoed dat het membraan weer 40 jaar mee gaat, dus denk wel dat het membraan ons zal overleven. Lager zal een ander verhaal zijn.
Is de hele pomp unit nog nieuw te krijgen?
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Re: Olie in de vacuumslag?

Berichtdoor Govert » 07 okt 2018, 13:28

Een hele pomp kopen is meestal niet nodig, omdat alleen de lagers en het membraan en klepjes slijten. MB levert/leverde de hele arm als reserveonderdeel, tegen een vrij hoge prijs. Je kan ook alleen de lagers vervangen, je moet dan wel iets maken om de vork recht te houden als je het nieuwe lagers erin perst.
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Re: Olie in de vacuumslag?

Berichtdoor Bigm1977 » 07 okt 2018, 17:24

Ooh, dan kijk ik voor nieuwe lagers. Dan is de pomp weer helemaal in orde. Weet iemand welk artikel nr. dit is van de lager?
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Re: Olie in de vacuumslag?

Berichtdoor Weizengelb » 09 okt 2018, 13:47

Ik heb de laatste keer SKF 626 lagers gekocht (zonder stofhoes, 8 kogels). Eerder had ik NSK lagertjes met stofhoes maar heb de stofkapjes eruit gewipt (6 kogels).

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Re: Olie in de vacuumslag?

Berichtdoor Bigm1977 » 15 okt 2018, 13:17

Hoi,

Heeft iemand toevallig een foto van de binnen kant of een afbeelding met doorschede van de pomp? zodat ik ongeveer weet wat ik kan verwachten als ik de pomp er afhaal. Ik kan nergens een nette afbeelding vinden :(
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Re: Olie in de vacuumslag?

Berichtdoor Govert » 17 okt 2018, 00:06

Het wijst zichzelf als de pomp eraf is.

Het wieltje loopt over deze golvende flans:

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vac4.jpg
vac4.jpg (69.88 KiB)


Dat wieltje zie je op de onderstaande foto's.

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vac1.jpg
vac1.jpg (67.61 KiB)


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vac2.jpg
vac2.jpg (61.53 KiB)


Het wieltje loopt op de twee lagers. De "vork" waar de lagers inzitten mag tijdens het vervangen van de lagers niet verbuigen, dus daar moet je een stukje metaal tussen zetten. Hieronder een foto van die vork (van een nieuwer type pomp, maar principe is hetzelfde).

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Re: Olie in de vacuumslag?

Berichtdoor Bigm1977 » 19 okt 2018, 19:57

Danke voor de foto’s, ziet er spannend uit. Zit er een pakking tussen de pomp en de motor of kaal te tegen de motor?
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Re: Olie in de vacuumslag?

Berichtdoor Govert » 19 okt 2018, 22:01

Zit volgens mij een papieren pakking tussen pomp en motor, maar is al weer een tijdje geleden.
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