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Toeren en snelheid overschakelen

Berichtdoor Erik.Kieftenburg » 06 maart 2013, 13:13

Onze W123 is niet voorzien van toerenteller maar van de standaard klok voorzien...Ik heb er geen notie van hoeveel toeren ik draai...beetje op gehoor maar in vergelijk met onze T5 VW bus (beetje vloeken in de kerk) van ruim 200 pk en koppel van 450 nm is het gissen..Het is een 300D met 5 bak..kan bij 60 naar zijn 4 maar schakel ik van de twee te snel over gaat ie schokken..Bij doorloopbare afslagen terug naar de 2e versnelling..waar ik met vw in de 4e kan blijven..Haha..
Schakel bij 100 over naar 5e...Wie o Wie kan me hier wat meer over vertellen.. :woohoo:
Bij voorbaat dank..
erik
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Re: toeren en snelheid overschakelen

Berichtdoor Govert » 06 maart 2013, 13:47

De dieselmotoren hebben hun maximaal koppel bij 2400 toeren per minuut. Dat toerental kan je aanhouden als minimaal schakelpunt. Dan kom je op de volgende minimale schakelsnelheden voor een 300D met 3,46 eindoverbrenging:

2>3: 35 km/u
3>4: 60 km/u
4>5: 80 km/u

Wil je harder accelereren, om bijvoorbeeld de snelweg op de rijden, dan schakel je uiteraard op hogere snelheden, tot maximaal de markeringen op de snelheidsmeter. In mijn ervaring zijn er verschillen van auto tot auto, de ene gaat schokken als je een bocht neemt in de 3e versnelling, de ander heeft er geen moeite mee. Het is niet helemaal duidelijk waar dat aan ligt, waarschijnlijk aan de staat van de aandrijfas, zoals hardyschijven, koppelingsplaat, speling op onderdelen.

Het is belangrijk dat je de motor niet zwaar belast in een te hoge versnelling, dus niet volgas geven als je met lage snelheid in een hoge versnelling rijdt.

Zie ook: http://surfblau.de/ en daar links in het menu "Antriebsfragen".
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Re: toeren en snelheid overschakelen

Berichtdoor Erik.Kieftenburg » 06 maart 2013, 15:27

Ik moet echt iets verder doortrekken om het wat soepel te doen overlopen...
Waarschijnlijk aandrijfas die begint te zingen?

ga het uit proberen..Erik
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Re: toeren en snelheid overschakelen

Berichtdoor Erik.Kieftenburg » 06 maart 2013, 15:45

Geen toerenteller.... Kan de uiteindelijke toeren niet aflezen..
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Re: toeren en snelheid overschakelen

Berichtdoor Govert » 06 maart 2013, 16:27

De toeren zijn te berekenen uit de snelheid, zie de site surfblau voor tabellen.

Dat zijn wel theoretische snelheden, gebaseerd op de originele bandenmaat. Veel snelheidsmeters hebben een afwijking, dat wil zeggen dat ze te veel aangeven. Dus als je op je snelheidsmeter bijvoorbeeld 60 km/u rijdt, kan dat ik werkelijkheid wel eens 50 km/u zijn. Met een GPS-apparaat kan je de snelheidsmeter ijken.

In de aandrijflijn kan je de hardyschijven en eventueel de trillingsdemper (voor zover geïnstalleerd) controleren. Controleer ook de speling op het differentieel en de steekassen.
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Re: toeren en snelheid overschakelen

Berichtdoor Erik.Kieftenburg » 06 maart 2013, 16:39

Ga hem eens op de brug zetten...Maar voorlopig laat ik het nog zo...ga nog geen kosten maken even wachten op het verloop van de belastingvrijheid..
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Re: toeren en snelheid overschakelen

Berichtdoor Govert » 06 maart 2013, 17:52

Hier nog een tabel met het verband tussen toeren en snelheid. De berekeningen zijn uitgevoerd op basis van 195/70 R14 banden. De vijfbak heeft wat langere overbrengingen op de lage versnellingen

Bovenaan zie je verschillende toerentallen bij een bepaalde snelheid. De blauwe cijfers zijn de overbrengverhouding van de versnelling, 3,46 is de eindoverbrenging. Daaronder de versnellingen 1 t/m 5.

Daaronder zie je nog een tabel met de snelheden bij een bepaald toerental. Als je 2500 tpm aanhoudt als minimale schakelmoment zie je dat je moet schakelen bij circa 20, 40, 60 en 85 km/u.
Bij stevig optrekken is het 30, 50, 70 en 100 km/u.

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Re: toeren en snelheid overschakelen

Berichtdoor Oilburner » 08 dec 2013, 23:11

Geldt deze tabel ook voor een automaat ? heb het gevoel dat de motor bij 120 km/h op roetmeet toerental draait :-) 300D automaat.

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Re: Toeren en snelheid overschakelen

Berichtdoor Govert » 10 dec 2013, 09:29

Een automaat draait zo'n 200 toeren meer, omdat er wat slip zit in de koppelomvormer.

De "klacht" dat de W123 teveel toeren draait is niet ongewoon. Een automaat heeft vier versnellingen, dus met 120 km/u draait de motor zo'n 3700 toeren/min. Roetmeten gaat op het maximum toerental onbelast, dat is ongeveer 5200 toeren/min. Het maximum toerental belast is 4400 toeren/min, dus bij ongeveer 150 km/h is het afgelopen voor de 300D.
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Re: Toeren en snelheid overschakelen

Berichtdoor Oilburner » 10 dec 2013, 09:48

Dank je Govert, het hoge toerental klinkt wat onnatuurlijk en ongebruikelijk voor een diesel..... Motor loopt verder als een klok dus wen er wel aan.

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Re: Toeren en snelheid overschakelen

Berichtdoor Bart200D » 10 dec 2013, 09:56

Mijn 200D is op zich wel zuinig.

Maar als ik méér dan 110 doe, 120, 130 dan zie je de tankmeter snel zakken :-).

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Re: Toeren en snelheid overschakelen

Berichtdoor Govert » 11 dec 2013, 00:44

De diesels zijn ontworpen om constant zo'n 4000–4200 toeren te draaien. Dat is vergeleken met moderne diesels vrij veel. Pas met de W201 en W124 ging Mercedes wat meer werk maken van het beperken van het motorgeluid.
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Re: Toeren en snelheid overschakelen

Berichtdoor Chaco » 10 apr 2021, 23:13

Mooi tabel Govert. Heb je er toevallig ook 1 van de 200D 4 bak?
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Re: Toeren en snelheid overschakelen

Berichtdoor Govert » 11 apr 2021, 17:10

Ik heb de tabel gemaakt voor een vijfbak, maar volgens mij verschillen de overbrengverhoudingen niet veel voor versnellingen 1 t/m 4. De vier is altijd 1:1.

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Re: Toeren en snelheid overschakelen

Berichtdoor Chaco » 11 apr 2021, 21:21

Bedankt Govert! Vind het altijd lastig in te schatten wat nou het perfecte moment is om op te schakelen met m'n 200D.
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Re: Toeren en snelheid overschakelen

Berichtdoor Govert » 12 apr 2021, 11:11

De 200D heeft zijn hoogste koppel bij 2400 tpm, ideale overschakelsnelheden voor in de stad zijn dus:
1>2 20km/h
2>3 35 km/h
3>4 50 km/h

Als je de snelweg op wilt dan moet je langer doortrekken, de streepjes op de snelheidsmeter geven de maximale snelheid per versnelling aan.
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