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W123 sedan USA trekhaak monteren : Carrosserie & Exterieur

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W123 sedan USA trekhaak monteren

Alles omtrent de carrosserie en de buitenkant, zoals bijv. spuiten, roest, plaatwerk, lassen maar ook spiegels, rubbers en chroom, ruitenwissers etc.

W123 sedan USA trekhaak monteren

Berichtdoor Mark300DT » 25 mei 2015, 15:36

Vandaag bezig geweest met de montage van de Bosal trekhaak.

Ik heb de deze nieuw gekocht via MP en het artikelnummer gecontroleerd bij Bosal.
De trekhaak is voor W123 sedan.

Maar helaas loop ik tegen allerlei problemen aan.
De constructie van de bodem van de kofferbak is anders dan de europeesche sedans ben ik bang.
Er zit tussen de bak van het reserwiel en de bak aan de wielkast een koker, hier in vallen de schokdempers van de bumper.

De schokdempers zouden moeten vervallen, dat is geen probleem maar ik zit met de koker.
Hieraan kan de trekhaak flens niet gemonteerd worden.
De koker heeft binnen een afdek plaat welke is vast gezet met puntlassen. De koker zou dus wel opengemaakt kunnen worden.

Ik heb wat foto's van het één en ander wie kan mij advies geven.
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Installatie beschrijving
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Trekhaak compleet
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Koker
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Gat van de schokbreker in de koker de koker staat half of de wielbak heen
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Koker gezien van af de boven kant
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Re: W123 USA trekhaak monteren

Berichtdoor Wietse » 25 mei 2015, 19:02

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In jouw verhaal heb je 2 problemen.

De 1e geef je al aan met de kokers, zie de foto. Lijkt mij dat je met langere bouten wel iets kan.

2e : is de afstand van de trekhaak vanaf de auto/bumper. Die moet er verder vanaf omdat je te dikke bumper hebt. Ik had er een aangepaste/zelfbouw trekhaak op zitten. Ook was er een stuk uit de bumper gehaald , want die zit te laag
ik weet niet meer of mijn schokdempers er nog in zaten, heb de bumper nog wel liggen , zal is een x kijken.
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Re: W123 USA trekhaak monteren

Berichtdoor Mark300DT » 25 mei 2015, 20:09

Weet je misschien de afstand waarmee de beugel van de auto afkomt, dit is een mooie oplossing.

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Re: W123 USA trekhaak monteren

Berichtdoor Wietse » 25 mei 2015, 21:10

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Ik zat nog eens mijn foto's na te kijken. Kijk op deze foto kun je zien dat de beugel met 3 bouten ( net onder die koker zit. dus daar heb je verder geen last van denk ik, Onder de auto komt die hoeklijn ( C ), die je ook vast maakt aan de stabilisator stang (D ) Bij mij zat die zo vast, en lijkt mij wel goed.

Omdat je met die dikke usa bumper zit moet die kogel zeker 25 cm van de carrosserie zitten, ik kon alleen maar een gewone aanhanger koppelen.

Je hebt een NL trekhaak gekocht voor een NL bumper, zover ik weet is er niet een fabrieks usa trekhaak te koop. Dus je zal moeten gaan lassen etc. ( of een mooie NL bumper erop?)

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Re: W123 USA trekhaak monteren

Berichtdoor Mark300DT » 26 mei 2015, 09:09

Wietse, ik snij gewoon de achterkant van de auto er af, balkje er in en klaar :grin: :handgestures-thumbup:

Mijn maat is gisteren even achter autocad gaan zitten en heeft en tekening gemaakt van jou oplossing, het voordeel van deze oplossing is, is dat US bumper er zo weer op kan met schokbrekers en al.

Wel moet de slijptol in de trekhaak maar het is niet anders.

Ik heb nog niet helder hoe ik de trek ontlasting ga vast zetten die achter naar de stabilisatiestangen lopen, voor de flensen in de kofferbak snijden we nieuwe langere en dan met een hoeklijn of bussen in de koker. Dat laatste was een tip van Jan (Diosputsza).

Alleen zal ik met al dat geknutsel geen trekhaak op kenteken krijgen.

Bedankt voor het meedenken.

Ik zal de foto's hier plaatsen van alle werkzaamheden.
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Re: W123 sedan USA trekhaak monteren

Berichtdoor WJ15129 » 26 mei 2015, 10:42

Trekhaken worden tegenwoordig niet meer op het kenteken gezet. Sterker nog, als je met een zelf geknutselde trekhaak onder de auto bij de APK komt betekent dit gewoon afkeur voor de gehele auto.
In 1986 is het monteren en gebruiken van niet officiële trekhaken verboden, daarvoor mocht je alles erop hangen en ook nog gebruiken tot 750 kg. Sindsdien hoeven trekhaken ook niet meer gekeurd te worden na montage, maar vallen ze onder de APK.
Hou hier dus even rekening mee voordat je gaat zagen aan de auto en/of de trekhaak.
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Re: W123 sedan USA trekhaak monteren

Berichtdoor Mark300DT » 26 mei 2015, 11:12

Ik heb geen alternatief, origineel voor US niet te krijgen en onder mn andere auto daar mag nog geen dak drager op, die auto is een Hybride.

Ik gok het er maar op.
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Re: W123 sedan USA trekhaak monteren

Berichtdoor WJ15129 » 26 mei 2015, 20:32

Ja, je moet wat :lol: Ik ben gewoon ontzettend nieuwsgierig hoe dit afloopt. De meeste APK keurmeesters zullen waarschijnlijk helemaal niet weten hoe het hoort bij zo'n auto, maar je zult altijd zien dat hij net in de steekproef valt bij de eerste keuring met trekhaak :( En dan komt er een "mercedestijger" die alles weet :grin: over het ding. Maar ik wens je veel succes. Laat de trekhaak er niet al te nieuw uitzien bij de volgende keuring, gewoon een hoop vet en vuil erop. Bij mij hebben ze ooit de diameter van de kogel gemeten, maar dat zal bij jou geen probleem geven als hij nieuw is.

Staat er al een maximaal trekgewicht op je kentekenbewijs? Bij import zonder trekhaak zetten ze er vaak 0 kg op en als je er later een echt gewicht op wil hebben dan is het meestal 1200 kg maximaal. Een aanvullingsblad geven ze niet zomaar meer.
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Re: W123 sedan USA trekhaak monteren

Berichtdoor johnprins12 » 26 mei 2015, 20:33

hoi,

ik heb een USA diesel met een trekhaak, wil wel eens kijken hoe die vast zit en wat het merk is.
ik heb de wagen zo gekocht dus weet er verder niets van.

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Re: W123 sedan USA trekhaak monteren

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Re: W123 sedan USA trekhaak monteren

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Re: W123 sedan USA trekhaak monteren

Berichtdoor Mark300DT » 14 jun 2015, 21:09

Update, de onderdelen staan in autocad.
Donderdagmiddag gaan we de onderdelen snijden op cnc plasmasnijder en op de auto plaatsen.
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Re: W123 sedan USA trekhaak monteren

Berichtdoor Mark300DT » 19 jun 2015, 13:00

Eerste deel is gereed, brackets maken, lassen en onder de auto passen.

Nu nog de binnen versteviging en de trek ontlasting onder de auto plaatsen.
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Re: W123 sedan USA trekhaak monteren

Berichtdoor Stoepie2002 » 19 jun 2015, 23:13

Veel te mooi gemaakt dit. Te nieuw, niet typegoedkeur, dus apk afkeur....

Aan de andere kant... gaan ze wel twijfelen of dit zelfbouw is, zo mooi is het :)

Ik zou em effe photoshoppen in het echt :woohoo: , om 'm ouder te laten lijken!

Eh de trekhaak dus. Mooi werk!

Edit: er staat 0kg op je kenteken als toegestaan aanhangwagen gewicht. Dus is toch al afkeur. Een fietsendrager mag er wel op...
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Re: W123 sedan USA trekhaak monteren

Berichtdoor Tony MB » 20 jun 2015, 06:46

Geen prutswerk :handgestures-thumbup:
Erg mooi gemaakt.
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Re: W123 sedan USA trekhaak monteren

Berichtdoor Wietse » 20 jun 2015, 09:26

Het was altijd tot 750 kg, mag je zelf wat prutsen, en hoef het niet op kenteken te staan, maar wellicht is het nu veranderd. op de site van rwd kan ik het niet zo snel vinden, maar daar moet het wel te vinden zijn.
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Re: W123 sedan USA trekhaak monteren

Berichtdoor WJ15129 » 20 jun 2015, 11:21

Zoals ik boven al opmerkte mag je sinds 1986 niet meer zelf iets prutsen, maar het type plaatje van Bosal zit er nog op, dat scheelt. Probeer in ieder geval te verhullen dat hij gewijzigd is, flink in de tectyl.
Als je de RDW een mailtje stuurt dat je graag een trekgewicht op je kenteken wilt, dan doen ze dat wel, in ieder geval tot 1200 kg. Als je meer wilt, probeer dan een aantal voorbeelden van andere auto's, zelfde type en motor, aan te dragen die al een hoger trekgewicht op het kenteken hebben staan, wellicht dat het dan lukt. Het trekgewicht wordt tegenwoordig onafhankelijk van het wel of niet aanwezig zijn van een trekhaak vermeld.
Bij een verkeerscontrole kijken ze wat er op het kentekenbewijs staat en wat op het typeplaatje staat en de laagste waarde wordt dan gebruikt.
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Re: W123 sedan USA trekhaak monteren

Berichtdoor Wietse » 20 jun 2015, 19:16

Heel netjes, vraag er Patent op !!! :handgestures-thumbup:
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Re: W123 sedan USA trekhaak monteren

Berichtdoor Mark300DT » 28 jun 2015, 23:08

Lekker bezig geweest afgelopen zaterdag,

De originele hoeklijnen onder de auto gezet, die lopen vanaf de kofferbak tot onder de torsiestang/spoorstang.
Alles vast gezet met lijm klemmen en met een haakse boor de gaten overgenomen.
De rechterkant is lastig er is weinig ruimte ivm met de bak van het reservewiel.
Links gaat beter daar kun je gewoon de uitlaat laten zakken.

Toen in de kofferbak de nieuwe hoekplaten er in die dan met de bouten door en door aan de hoeklijn onder de auto is vast gezet.

Zo wordt de trekkracht vanaf de achterkant over de lengte van de achterkant van de auto verdeeld.

Nu nog even een aansluit doosje scoren met 7 aderige kabel en dan eerst de mist achterlamp naar achter brengen want de US. zijn die niet aangesloten.
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Re: W123 sedan USA trekhaak monteren

Berichtdoor Hans230CE » 29 jun 2015, 10:28

Goed bezig Mark. :handgestures-thumbup:

Betreffende trekhaken hier in België is er ook het een en ander gewijzigd.

Alle trekhaken op personenwagens moeten worden gekeurd, ook op nieuwe wagens. Daarvoor krijg je dan een keuringsbewijs voor 4 jaar. Maar wat ik niet wist en tot mijn scha en schande heb meegemaakt, is dat je tegenwoordig een keuring hebt voor lichte en zware trekhaken.Ik heb op de Renault een afneembare trekhaak en die was ik thuis vergeten toen ik de wagen liet keuren. Dus konden ze enkel keuren als lichte trekhaak (=750kg), dus zat er niets anders op dan even naar huis te rijden, trekhaak te monteren en terug te rijden, wilde ik mijn max trekgewicht van 1300kg hebben op het keuringsrapport.
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