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W123 Motorkapkabel

Berichtdoor Mark300DT » 28 sep 2016, 20:34

Beste allemaal,

Vorig jaar heb ik mijn kabel van de motorkap vervangen, omdat hij erg zwaar ging heb ik hem vorige week kapot getrokken met de binnen hendel en al.

De vraag is, hoe kun je de vergrendeling stellen ?

De kabel zelf kun je met het busje voor in wel langer of korter maken.

Maar bepaald dit de kracht of het openingsmoment ?

Bij geopende kap loopt het mechanisme soepel, maar met de kap in het slot moet ik erg veel kracht zetten.
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Re: Motorkapkabel

Berichtdoor Connoly » 28 sep 2016, 20:41

welk type hebben we het over ?
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Re: Motorkapkabel

Berichtdoor Mark300DT » 28 sep 2016, 21:00

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Re: W123 Motorkapkabel

Berichtdoor Mark300DT » 29 sep 2016, 13:42

Nieuwe kabel is besteld,

Weet iemand nog wat over de afstelling?
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Re: W123 Motorkapkabel

Berichtdoor Pieter1967 » 29 sep 2016, 21:09

Hallo Mark,

Met het "busje" stel je alleen het moment van ontgrendelen af, verder niets. Wat wel het moeilijk openen van de kap kan veroorzaken is een hoge voorspanning op de motorkapsluiting. Dat kan komen door een verkeerd afgestelde motorkap (door bijv. de steunpootjes met rubber aan de beide kanten aan de binnenzijde van de kap). Probeer eens met een tweede persoon de kap te openen wanneer de ene de motorkap maar beneden duwt (met beleid natuurlijk) en de andere de hendel bediend. Gaat het dan beduidend lichter dan duidt dat op een hoge voorspanning. Ikzelf heb weleens een vulplaatje moeten maken om zodoende de sluiting t.o.v. de binnenzijde kap iets te laten zakken, probleem opgelost. Nu denk je misschien; waarom laat je de kap dan niet zakken. Wel, dat ging niet want dan kwam de kap lager te liggen dan de voorschermen en dat was geen gezicht. Het zijn al wat oudere auto's en je weet vrijwel nooit wat de geschiedenis van de wagen is.

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Re: W123 Motorkapkabel

Berichtdoor Mark300DT » 29 sep 2016, 22:02

Een vul plaatje onder de sluiting, komt de ontgrendeling haak wat hoger te staan.

Jan (Diosputsza) had het ook over een soort gelijke oplossing maar dan door de twee dwars staanders te lossen en dan de middenbalk waar de ontgrendeling haak op staat iets omhoog te forceren.

Met die rubber pootjes heb ik inderdaad de klep vlak na aanschaf 4 jaar geleden gelijk gelegd.

Ik zal eerst de spanning door die afstelling er afhalen en dan kijken of ik bv een 0.5mm vulplaatje kan maken.

Alleen die 4 kruisschroeven los halen wordt een uitdaging, die zitten behoorlijk vast.

Bedankt
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Re: W123 Motorkapkabel

Berichtdoor WJ15129 » 30 sep 2016, 10:49

Hierbij even een plaatje van de juiste motorkap afstelling, zoals de fabriek dit voorschrijft.

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Zoals je ziet is het de bedoeling dat de onderste lijn van de kap recht aansluit aan de onderste lijn van het spatbord. Het probleem is dat de meeste huidige eigenaren van de auto's dit niet mooi vinden, de bovenrand van de kap moet gelijk lopen met de bovenkant van het scherm, en dus draaien ze de stelpootjes uit.
En natuurlijk is er geen enkele wet die dit verbiedt te doen bij je eigen auto, maar het is wel de reden dat je motorkap zo zwaar opent.
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Re: W123 Motorkapkabel

Berichtdoor Mark300DT » 30 sep 2016, 10:53

Thnx, ik heb hem ook gelijk gelegd. Dus te hoog.
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Re: W123 Motorkapkabel

Berichtdoor RD500sec » 30 sep 2016, 14:18

Natuurlijk heb je hem gelijk gelegd met de schermen, zo hoort dat ook i.m.o.
Als je van de pen aan de motorkap, die in het slot valt, de borgmoer (13mm) loshaalt en de pen linksom draait wordt hij langer en zal je minder spanning op het slot hebben.
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Re: W123 Motorkapkabel

Berichtdoor Mark300DT » 30 sep 2016, 15:03

Ik heb geen pen gezien?
Bij de W123 staat er een haak op de onderbalk en in de klep zit een vierkant waarin waarschijnlijk iets zit waaraan de haak vast grijpt.
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Re: W123 Motorkapkabel

Berichtdoor Mark300DT » 30 sep 2016, 15:10

Ik heb geen pen gezien?

Bij de W123 staat er een haak op de onderbalk en in de klep zit een vierkant waarin waarschijnlijk iets zit waar aan de haak vast grijpt.
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Re: W123 Motorkapkabel

Berichtdoor Hans230CE » 01 okt 2016, 13:21

Die pen is dat ding met die veer die in dat centrale gat valt Mark. Zit vast aan je motorkap.
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Re: W123 Motorkapkabel

Berichtdoor Mark300DT » 01 okt 2016, 14:02

Sorry geen pen aan de motor kap.
Er staat wel een geveerde stift op de balk naast de ontgrendelings haak.

Maar de kabel is vervangen en ik heb met de steuntjes de motorkap een paar mm laten zakken.

Ontgrendeld soepel zonder kracht te hoeven geven.

Er zijn van alle stappen fotos genomen.

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Re: W123 Motorkapkabel

Berichtdoor RD500sec » 02 okt 2016, 01:12

De pen zelf veert niet.
Om de pen zit een veer met daaronder een ring, die drukt de motorkap open als je hem ontgrendelt.
De pen heeft aan de onderkant een verdikking, hierachter valt de sluitveer als de kap in het slot valt.
De kabel om de kap te ontgrendelen bedient de sluitveer.
De haak is de windhaak, als de kap onderweg uit het slot zou springen voorkomt de windhaak het openen van de kap, en daarmee dat de kap zich om het voorruit en dak heen vouwt.

Zoals eerder gemeld kan je de lengte van de pen verandeen om de kap op de juiste hoogte te laten sluiten.
Ook kan je de pen na lossen van de borgmoer iets naar links, rechts, voor en achter bewegen om de kap zonder haperen te laten openenen sluiten.
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Re: W123 Motorkapkabel

Berichtdoor Pieter1967 » 02 okt 2016, 15:59

@Mark, mooi dat het gelukt is. Hopelijk blijven de nieuwe hendel en kabel nu heel. Zoals gezegd, met een vul- / onderlegplaatje kun je voorspanning verminderen en t'och je motorkap uitlijnen zoals jij dat het liefste hebt.

@Richard,
Jij hebt het NIET over een W123 motorkapvergrendeling maar over een ander type, wellicht over je eigen 500SEC, geen idee. Ik ben zojuist nog even bij mijn W123's gaan kijken en het zit echt zoals ik in mijn eerste reactie heb verteld. De W123´s hebben géén centrale, verende, pen in de motorkap zitten waarmee je de hoogte en plaats van de pen kunt instellen. Ik heb bij een vroege W123 (bj. 1977) én een latere (bj. 1985) gekeken en zelfs even bij een W115 van bj.1975 gekeken en deze auto's hebben allemaal vrijwel hetzelfde systeem. Aan de binnenzijde van de motorkap zit een "vangplaat" geschroefd die de sluithaak van de motorkapsluiting moet opnemen en vasthouden. In de bovenste radiatorbalk wordt met 4 schroeven de motorkapsluiting gemonteerd welke een ontgrendelbare sluithaak bevat evenals een aparte verende drukstift, voor het omhoog duwen van de motorkap. Zoals door Mark gezegd, hij gaat nog foto's plaatsen in een apart topic, daarin zal alles wel duidelijk worden. Komt dit topic er niet dan kan ik eventueel wel foto's plaatsen van een W123 motorkapsluiting. Met behulp van onderlegplaatjes kan men de voorspanning van de ontgrendeling afstellen mocht deze te groot zijn. Ik weet niet of deze plaatjes te koop zijn, ik heb ze wel eens zelf gemaakt. Wellicht is deze kennis bij een ander lid voorhanden.

Ikzelf ben, net zoals jij, ook van mening dat de motorkap aan de voorkant gelijk zou moeten liggen met de voorschermen maar dat is persoonlijk.

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Re: W123 Motorkapkabel

Berichtdoor Mark300DT » 02 okt 2016, 16:09

Hierbij de foto van de radiator balk.
En ik zie nu pas dat er met de platsic ontgrendeling hendel is gerommeld.
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Re: W123 Motorkapkabel

Berichtdoor Pieter1967 » 02 okt 2016, 16:37

Hallo Mark,

Wat bedoel je met gerommeld?

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Re: W123 Motorkapkabel

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Hallo Pieter,ik ben het volledig eens met jou Pieter zoals de afbeelding het laat zien zo hoort het en is niet aan gerommeld, want zo zit het ook bij mij als het zwaar gaat doe er een beetje vet of andere smeermiddel aan de ontgrendeling en alles werkt naar behoren, ik heb zelf de w!23 gead van 1976 / 1984 en nooit geen probleem gehad.
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