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om617 valt regelmatig still : Diesel Specifiek

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om617 valt regelmatig still

Specifieke zaken omtrent het rijden op diesel kunnen hier geplaatst worden zodat we alle zaken omtrent diesel hier verzameld hebben staan.

om617 valt regelmatig still

Berichtdoor Frankie68 » 14 aug 2017, 17:19

mijn W114 250 met dieselmotor. hij start goed , schakelt idem dito.maar valt regelmatig stil,( het is een automaat)
het is niet te voorspellen . dat is het vervelende ,vandaag ging het goed , 4x stoplicht, 2 x brug open ..
ik reed niet in zijn "d" maar in zijn "s"
ik heb alle filters verangen
tankfilter is schoon het is een dieselfilter


hoe kan dat ?

het is een om617

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Re: om617 valt regelmatig still

Berichtdoor BertMercedes » 14 aug 2017, 21:13

vacuumlek?
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Re: om617 valt regelmatig still

Berichtdoor Govert » 14 aug 2017, 23:45

Het kan zijn dat de opvoerpomp niet goed werkt of dat er lucht wordt getrokken. Als de motor uitvalt, zou je met de handpomp kunnen pompen. Dan kan je controleren of het enige tijd duurt voordat je het retourventiel van de pomp hoort opengaan. Lucht in de retourleiding van de pomp kan ook een indicatie zijn.

De stand van de automaatbak zou geen invloed moeten hebben op de motor.

Als de motor uitvalt, start de motor dan gewoon of moet je enige tijd starten of stilstaan?

De tankontluchting is wel goed en zit niet dicht?
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Re: om617 valt regelmatig still

Berichtdoor Wiebren240D » 14 aug 2017, 23:58

Hoi

wat Govert zegt heb ik niks aan toe te voegen.
even alles goed na lopen in de diesel leidingen zal denk ik wel ergens een lek zitten of een slang klem niet goed vast waar door er valse lucht word aan gezogen.

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Re: om617 valt regelmatig still

Berichtdoor Govert » 15 aug 2017, 08:24

Het kan ook dat de vacuümstopzetter wordt bediend, dat kan als de vacuümschuif bij het stuurslot lekt of als carterdruk in de motor niet goed wordt afgezogen.

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Re: om617 valt regelmatig still

Berichtdoor Frankie68 » 15 aug 2017, 15:09

de laatste keer was na 20 km ,voor het stoplicht, het ik moest hem wegduwen met 2 andere weggebruikers
na een poosje (10min) deed hij het weer .
gisteren met zweet in mijn handen 4 stoplichten en 2 bruggen open . en dat ging goed

ik kan het ook niet reproduceren

ben blij dat ik mijn 200D nog heb :whistle:
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Re: om617 valt regelmatig still

Berichtdoor Govert » 15 aug 2017, 22:54

Het is een ombouwer. Nu hebben de diesels een vacuümstopzetter, maar de 250 heeft dat niet. Bij het ombouwen moet dus ook de vacuümleiding via het startslot zijn geleid. Als dat niet goed is gedaan of als het schuifje bij het stuurslot niet goed is, dan wordt er vacuüm op de stopzetter gezet en het gevolg is dat de motor uit gaat. Als het de volgende keer gebeurt, dan kan je eventueel de vacuümleiding van de stopzetter aftrekken. Start de motor dan wel, dan zit het daar in.

Enfin, mogelijke oorzaken zijn:
- Er wordt lucht aangetrokken in de dieselleiding
- Opvoerpomp werkt niet goed
- Handopvoerpompje lekt lucht / dicht niet goed af.
- Tankontluchting werkt niet goed
- Vacuüm op de stopzetter via vacuümleiding
- Motorontluchting werkt niet goed, waardoor stopzetter wordt bediend
- Retourventiel op dieselpomp staat te slap

Dat de motor na 10 minuten weer gaat lopen lijkt te wijzen op iets dat langzaam wegloopt, zoals een tank die weer belucht wordt of vacuüm dat wegvalt.
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Re: om617 valt regelmatig still

Berichtdoor Frankie68 » 17 aug 2017, 15:22

ik heb de originele tankdop er weer opgedaan

govert. hij (koude) start goed, gloeit goed ,uitzetten gaat ook goed
ik heb veel documentatie nagetrokken, qua vaccuum .
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Re: om617 valt regelmatig still

Berichtdoor drieske » 17 aug 2017, 22:14

Laatst bijgewerkt door Anonymous op 24 aug 2017, 23:32, in totaal 1 keer bewerkt.
Reden: vanwege het niet hebben van onbeperkte ruimte op de forums niet quoten met een er direct bovenstaand bericht!!
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Re: om617 valt regelmatig still

Berichtdoor Frankie68 » 18 aug 2017, 00:53

de auto is van '73 dus de dop ook , ik had een er een "recentere" op gezet (van een W123)
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Re: om617 valt regelmatig still

Berichtdoor drieske » 18 aug 2017, 23:45

Het zou dus zo maar aan de tankdop kunnen liggen, je tank moet natuurlijk wel belucht kunnen worden anders trekt je tank vacuüm en, je raad het al, slaat de motor af .........
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Re: om617 valt regelmatig still

Berichtdoor Govert » 19 aug 2017, 00:35

Bij de W123 wordt de tank niet belucht door de tankdop, maar via een beluchtingsleiding. Bij de W115 is de tank iets anders, maar volgens mij is de beluchting daar ook via een aparte leiding.


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Re: om617 valt regelmatig still

Berichtdoor Wiebren240D » 20 aug 2017, 12:28

Hallo Allemaal

de tank van een W114/115 word belucht via het kleine plastic tankje dat in het rechter achter spatbord in de kofferbak hangt zit achter het reserve wiel komen 2 plastic leidingen op de tank.
als je doe hebt afgedopt ja dan krijg je problemen.

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Re: om617 valt regelmatig still

Berichtdoor Frankie68 » 22 aug 2017, 17:41

is dit het potje wat je bedoelt?
er zitten twee leidingkjes waar gaan die dan naar toe?
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Re: om617 valt regelmatig still

Berichtdoor Wiebren240D » 22 aug 2017, 23:40

Hoi

ja precies dat is de ontluchting van de tank die 2 leidinkjes lopen naar de bovenkant van de tank door een rubber dat in de vloer van de kofferbak zit

wens je suc6 met het herstel
met de groeten van Wiebren ut Snits
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Re: om617 valt regelmatig still

Berichtdoor Heinz220D8 » 24 aug 2017, 19:17

Hallo Frankie68,

Govert somt zowat alles op, maar ik wil hier toch nog iets aan toevoegen: onder het handpompje, onder de aansluiting met de brandstofleiding bevinden zich twee ventielen, die nagenoeg identiek zijn als die voorop de vacuümpomp (om616). Deze voeren de brandstof naar de inspuitpomp.
Het kan ook voorkomen dat een ventiel gescheurd of anders defekt is, waardoor de brandstof toevoer niet goed functioneert.
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