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Remmen

Berichtdoor Ralph » 02 sep 2018, 16:45

Hallo kenners
Mijn Mercedes W123 2.4 diesel
Uit 76
Heeft altijd geremd
Vandaag werd toeren
En opeens was de remdruk heel laag

Gestopt olie gekeken dacht lekkage maar die stond mooi op pijl
Doorgereden toen geen remdruk meer weer gestopt olie nog steeds op pijl
Langzaam naar huis aan het rijden en ineens had ik weer gewoon remdruk thuis
De vraag is waar zou in dit probleem kunnen zoeken
Lekkage lijk me niet aan gezien er geen olie lekt
Alvast bedankt
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Re: Remmen

Berichtdoor RD500sec » 02 sep 2018, 18:54

De bekrachtiger of de vacuumpomp zijn in mijn ogen verdacht.
Als het de pomp is, kan hij de motor vernielen als je doorrijd hiermee. (Laat) dit dus eerst checken.
De bekrachtiger kun je met een (hand) vacuumpomp testen. Test ook gelijk het overige vacuum systeem, mogelijk zit er daar een lek.
Anderzijds kan het de hoofdremcilinder zijn die intern lekt, dat zie je niet direct, pas als de remvloeistof in de bekrachtiger komt en wordt aangezogen door de vacuumpomp zul je een dalen van het niveau zien.
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Re: Remmen

Berichtdoor Ralph » 02 sep 2018, 19:06

Dankje voor de reactie
Maar als het in Het rem bekrachtegings gedeelte zit
Zou ik de pendaal toch niet op de grond in mogen trappen lijk me
En kan die het dan ineens wel doen
Daarbij heb ik nu 20 km gereden zonder problemen
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Re: Remmen

Berichtdoor Citrobenz » 03 sep 2018, 02:07

Hoofdremcilinder vervangen of reviseren.
Je loopt het risico dat je zo weer door de rem trapt.
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Re: Remmen

Berichtdoor Ralph » 03 sep 2018, 08:49

Oké ga ik dat maar doen
Vind alleen raar dat deze niet lekt
Tenminste geen olie verliest
Zit in de hoofd rem cilinders nog verschil in
Bijlagen
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Re: Remmen

Berichtdoor RD500sec » 03 sep 2018, 09:10

Ralph, ik begrijp niet dat je doorrijd met de auto nadat je dit hebt geconstateerd, levensgevaarlijk en niet alleen voor jou!

Als de bekrachtiger niet werkt, (of als er geen vacuum in zit) kan je het pedaal dieper intrappen dan normaal, zonder dat er noemenswaardige remwerking is, dan is het pedaal hard en kun je met veel kracht alsnog remmen.

Als de hoofdremcilinder intern lekt, zakt het pedaal diep weg, mogelijk tot op de bodem en heb je geen remwerking, of er is remwerking voordat de bodem wordt bereikt, de remwerking kan minder zijn omdat 1 van de circuits niet goed meedoet op dat moment, de bekrachtiger werkt dan wel, er is geen extra hoge pedaalkracht nodig.

Ik hoop dat dit je helpt, en laat de auto staan totdat het gerepareerd is!
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Re: Remmen

Berichtdoor RD500sec » 03 sep 2018, 09:20

Met vriendelijke groet, Richard
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Re: Remmen

Berichtdoor Ralph » 03 sep 2018, 09:32

Dankje wel
Ik ga de hoofd remcilinder
Vernieuwen
Lijk me dat deze bij mijn probleem
Terecht komt
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Re: Remmen

Berichtdoor Ralph » 03 sep 2018, 10:18

Waar kan ik zo.n oliereservoir nieuw kopen voor op de hoofd rem cilinder
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Re: Remmen

Berichtdoor snollie » 03 sep 2018, 10:57

Her lijkt er op dat er een remklauw vastzit. Wat er dan gebeurt is dat die zo heet wordt dat de remvloeistof gaat "koken" zodat er luchtbelletjes ontstaan. Als je dan remt krijg je het effect wat jij beschrijft. Verder, als je de wagen dan een half uur niet gebruikt of heel langzaam rijdt is het systeem zodanig afgekoeld dat alles weer gewoon lijkt te werken. Maar uiteindelijk begint het weer van voren af aan. Overigens kan je de wagen dan nog tot stilstand brengen door "pompend" te remmen maar echt veilig is dat natuurlijk niet Ik heb hetzelfde gehad, bij mij was de klauw linksvoor de boosdoener.
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Re: Remmen

Berichtdoor Ralph » 03 sep 2018, 12:46

Bedankt voor de reactie
Heb even gekeken is wel idd dat r voor
Ontzettend zwaar draait
Dan zou dat idd het probleem kunnen zijn
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Re: Remmen

Berichtdoor RD500sec » 03 sep 2018, 15:24

Wat Snollie aangeeft kan inderdaad ook, maar dan ruik je de rem duidelijk.
Je bent twee maal gestopt, toen het probleem zich voordeed, en hebt gekeken of je vloeistoflekkage had.
Van een rem die ruikt of erg warm is, heb ik je niet gehoord, vandaar dat mijn gedacten richting bekrachtiger en hoofdremcilinder gingen.
Een goede diagnose valt of staat met de informatie die gegeven wordt.
Vanachter het computerscherm valt er niets te zien, horen, voelen of ruiken, die informatie moet wel gegeven worden als die er is...
Nu geef je aan dat het wiel RV heel zwaar draait, de remklauw zal vaststaan en moet gereviseerd of vervangen worden.
Kijk ook naar de toestand van de remslangen en ververs de remvloeistof in het hele systeem, als dat niet recent gebeurd is.
De hoofdremcilinder zal naar alle waarschijnlijkheid nog goed zijn met deze informatie.
Ik hoop dat je die nog niet besteld hebt.
Met vriendelijke groet, Richard
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Re: Remmen

Berichtdoor snollie » 03 sep 2018, 19:18

Ik had idd nog aan kunnen geven dat je het ook echt wel ruikt, zo'n vastgelopen rem maar daar dacht ik even niet aan. Dank je wel, Richard!
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Re: Remmen

Berichtdoor Ralph » 03 sep 2018, 19:24

Van de remmen heb ik ook niets geroken
Dan was het me gelijk duidelijk geweest waar ik niets zoeken
Dus ga eerst nieuwe remklauwen monteren
En geheel nieuwe remolie erin doen
Kijken wat hij dan doet
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Re: Remmen

Berichtdoor snollie » 03 sep 2018, 23:26

Je kan ook eerst proberen om de klauw gangbaar te maken, dat is goedkoper dan twee nieuwe klauwen. Heb ik ook gedaan.
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Re: Remmen

Berichtdoor Ralph » 04 sep 2018, 00:24

Dat zou ik ook kunnen proberen
Maar ben bang dat die bouten breken
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Re: Remmen

Berichtdoor Paul Snip » 07 sep 2018, 01:51

Zo kansloos dit verhaal.

Ga toch naar een garage, laat je auto ophalen en je remmen repareren.

Je zou bang moeten worden bij het idee dat je iemand verwond, invalide of het leven uit rijd! Om nog maar te zwijgen over de nabestaanden.

Gebruik je verstand ipv om voor niks een Mercedes-Benz te willen rijden want, dat gaat niet!
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Re: Remmen

Berichtdoor Weizengelb » 09 sep 2018, 09:06

Ik denk ook dat er een rem aanloopt. Laat er alsjeblieft iemand naar kijken die er verstand van heeft zoals Paul zegt.

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Re: Remmen

Berichtdoor Ralph » 09 sep 2018, 09:17

Zo andere remklauw rv geplaatst nu hopen dat het probleem is opgelost
Tevens gelijk nieuwe rem vloeistof erin gedaan
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Re: Remmen

Berichtdoor Citrobenz » 09 sep 2018, 13:45

Hallo Ralph,
Ik zou toch de hoofdremcilinder reviseren of vernieuwen.
Wij hebben dit meerdere keren in de garage meegemaakt dat de remdruk zo ineens weg is.
In alle gevallen was het de hoofdremcilinder.
Zo'n revisiesetje kost je de kop niet.
Je wilt het toch niet meemaken dat je een noodstop moet maken en dat je dan geen rem hebt.
Op remmerij NOOIT bezuinigen

Ik sluit mij helemaal bij Paul zijn verhaal aan.
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