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motor revisie 250

Berichtdoor F3Cees » 31 okt 2019, 22:24

Heb een los blok gekocht in onderdelen dat nog gemonteerd moet worden ,maar is nog niet cpl.en wil deze weer samenbouwen en daar heb ik een motor steun voor nodig, die ook kan draaien om gemakkelijk te werken
had nog een lage tafel over , daar 4 zwenk wielen onder gebouwd en 2 kokers die in elkaar schuiven voor de verticale paal, die ook in de hoogte verstelbaar is , weet nog niet of dit nodig is.
plaat opgelast met de gaten voor het blok op vast te zetten, deze zit op een pijp die kan draaien in een iets grotere pijp, die weer vast gelast zit op de verticale pijp, gaatje er in en kan hiermee met een pen geborgd worden.
motor blok opgebouwd en eerst maar eens ontvet en met hittebestendige zwarte lak ingespoten, zo ziet dat er tenminste weer mooi uit.
dan de delen die al klaar zijn ader opgeschroefd.
cilinders waren een beetje door vliegroest aangetast en door licht te honen is dat nu weg. wel de diameters inwendig op verschillende hoogtes en en hoeken nagemeten en zijn precies 82,50 mm rond
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Re: motor revisie 250

Berichtdoor F3Cees » 02 nov 2019, 11:37

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Ook de krukas lagers opgemeten en valt ook binnen de grenzen
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Re: motor revisie 250

Berichtdoor Guido » 02 nov 2019, 12:19

Mooi project hoor Cees!
wil je dit blok voor reserve aanhouden, of gaat deze als ie weer nieuw is in je Pagode?
Succes, veel plezier met opbouwen!
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Re: motor revisie 250

Berichtdoor F3Cees » 03 nov 2019, 13:02

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Hoi Guide,
Motor in de Pagode is goed, deze is voor reserve
heb de oliepomp ook wat aangepast, zat wat axiale speling op de tandwielen is nu teruggebracht naar 0,04 mm
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Re: motor revisie 250

Berichtdoor Weizengelb » 04 nov 2019, 10:21

Hoi Cees,

Goed bezig hoor. Met minder speling zal de opbrengst wel beter zijn.

Leuk dat je zelf die machines hebt. Ik wil mijn reserve dieselmotor ook eens uit elkaar gaan halen en oppeppen. Ik denk dat ik eens kijk of een reviseur dat samen met mij wil doen.

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Re: motor revisie 250

Berichtdoor F3Cees » 04 nov 2019, 10:57

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De oliepomp zit zonder afdichting in het blok en kan dus wat lekken terug naar het carter, wat dus de druk doet zakken.
dus een o ring ingebouwd , zodat de olie niet meer naar het carter terug kan.
aan de bovenkant kan het nog lekken, maar niet zo erg omdat deze de distributsie ketting smeert.
ondertussen zijn de nieuwe zuigers en veren in bestelling.
had nog een stel nieuwe zuigerveren liggen, maar deze zijn voor 82 mm diameter, dus die kunnen in de verkoop.
Math dit is leuk werk , moet je zeker doen
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Re: motor revisie 250

Berichtdoor Toontje » 05 nov 2019, 09:11

kijk das makkelijk motor op reserve
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Re: motor revisie 250

Berichtdoor F3Cees » 11 nov 2019, 22:49

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Vorige week zijn de zuigers met veren binnengekomen.
eerst even een veer in de boring geplaatst en de spleet gemeten, 0,3 mm en das precies goed
drijfstangen eerst even gewogen en zaten binnen de 5 gram , maar wou ze toch binnen de 2 gram houden en dus enkele wat lichter gemaakt.
rubber busjes over de draadeinden van van de drijfstang geschoven en in het blok geplaatst met een zuigerband klem en de kappen op moment gezet. ook de zijdelingse speling valt in de toleranties.
het geheel met een sleutel enkele malen rond gedraaid, zodat er overal olie zit.dan de distributie ketting er reeds inzetten, want later kom je daar moeilijk bij.
Dan de oliepomp er in en carterpan met siliconen afdichting er op geplaatst
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Re: motor revisie 250

Berichtdoor F3Cees » 12 nov 2019, 09:15

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en hier de klemband om de zuigerveren in te drukken
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Re: motor revisie 250

Berichtdoor F3Cees » 12 nov 2019, 09:46

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Montage van de oliepomp , distributie ketting en de oliekeerring
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Re: motor revisie 250

Berichtdoor F3Cees » 12 nov 2019, 10:36

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en montage van de grote carterpan, de kleine zit nog niet vast, dat komt nog
ook de poulie van markering voorzien met een kleurtje
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Re: motor revisie 250

Berichtdoor drieske » 12 nov 2019, 12:16

Mooi dat je het gewicht van de drijfstangen wat meer bij elkaar hebt gebracht, zuigers ook gewogen ?
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Re: motor revisie 250

Berichtdoor F3Cees » 12 nov 2019, 13:04

Ja Drieske , zuigers ook gewogen, mogen 4 gr afwijken , maar zaten op 2 gram, dus prima,
waren overigens 70 gr lichter, dan de oude .
nieuwe zijn van Kolbenscmidt
valt me overigens wel opdat de zuigers aan de bovenzijde veel kleiner zijn 81,84, aan de onderkant dwars zijn ze 82,47 en in de lg 81,84. dus ze zetten heel wat uit als ie warm is
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Re: motor revisie 250

Berichtdoor Maikel91 » 17 nov 2019, 13:37

Prachtige motor, mooi om te zien hoe je er zo professioneel en nauwkeurig mee bezig bent. :handgestures-thumbup:
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Re: motor revisie 250

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Omdat de Pagode motor er uit ligt, moet zo snel mogelijk de revisie motor verder klaar gemaakt worden.
dus draaibare motorsteun omgebouwd naar testbank, wat schakelaars , temp meter en een oliedruk meter er op.
benzine pomp , accu en radiateur uit de pagode en er ook op., dacht dat het beter is ook de ZF 5 bak er ook maar uitgehaald.
had nog een nieuwe koppeling plaat en drukgroep van de 250SE coup liggen, dus die er ook maar op.
een paar stukken koker profiel vast gelast voor de radiateur op de testbank en ook een verwisselbare steun voor de ZF bak.
wat elektrische kabels aansluiten.
De cilinder kop die ik had was krom geweest denk ik en was gevlakt, had al de kleppen ingeslepen en reeds gemonteerd , tot ik de nokkenas wilde monteren, deze draaide zeer zwaar, met een rei geken of ie krom was en dat bleek dus behoorlijk.
Want als je een kop vlakt en de boven kant niet , moet je nokkenas ook gebogen meedraaien en da gaat niet.
dus kop er weer af en alles gedemonteerd , behalve de bronzen klep geleiders , daar moest rond gefreesd worden, bleek dat er 0,25 af moest en nu draait de nokkenas weer als een zonnetje.
nieuwe klepstang afdichtingtingen en koppakking er op en de kop monteren, ook nog een nieuwe ketting en alles gemonteerd .kleppen stellen.
heb no een sleutel Hazet voor de kleppen hier op het forum gekocht en ze af gesteld..
alle ander attributen er op, olie en koelwater er in, injectie leidingen ontluchten, ondertussen kreeg ik ook al oliedruk.
leidingen vastdraaien, koel systeem ontluchten en stoten maar.
nou dat was leuk, , zonder uitlaat, zij starte direct en ik een big smile.
tis net een spitfire dat start.jammer dat ik geen filmpje kan posten.
maar toch maar de uitlaten er op gemonteerd, anders wordt de buurt wakker.
wil em eerst enkele dagen testen , zodat ik zeker weet dat alles goed is , jammer dat ik geen rem bank heb
wordt vervolgd
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Re: motor revisie 250

Berichtdoor F3Cees » 23 aug 2020, 10:01

Ondertussen al 15 liter peut verbrand op de testbank, heb ook nog 3 ontsteking systemen getest, 1e de lumination
2e de Oude Bosch en 3e een 123 ontsteking en deze blijft er op zitten.
Dan het blok met bak en al inbouwen, dat ging ook prima met 2 takels.
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Re: motor revisie 250

Berichtdoor F3Cees » 23 aug 2020, 10:17

Gisteren begonnen met het blok uit de W113 te demonteren en zoeken waar de lekkage van koelwater vandaan kwam.
De oliekoeler op druk 4 bar getest en oke .
Demontage van de zuigers en krukas, lagers zien er goed uit. nog wel nameten.
Zie wel in de 2e cilinder een paar horizontale groeven, dat zou een scheur kunnen zijn.
Dus een afdichting gemaakt uit 2 stukken alu en daar O ringen in gezet met een manometer en een lucht aansluiting met kogelkraan en daar 6 bar luchtdruk opgezet en een nachtje laten staan. vanmorgen nog steeds 6 bar , dus geen scheuren.
Nou is dit natuurlijk niet op bedrijfs temperatuur.
Moet het toch de koppakking geweest zijn.
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Re: motor revisie 250

Berichtdoor F3Cees » 23 aug 2020, 10:18

hoe komt het dat ik geen foto's meer kan plaatsen?
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Re: motor revisie 250

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Re: motor revisie 250

Berichtdoor JantjeV8 » 28 aug 2020, 14:11

Mooi Cees, leuk om te zien.
Dus die horizontale krassen zijn niet de oorzaak van de waterlekkage?

Erg mooi is hij niet, lijkt wel f hij lang stil gestaan heeft met water op de zuiger. Dat het roestplekken zijn die wat in de cilinderwand ingevreten zijn door het lange stilstaan, of een zuigerveer vast heeft gezeten.
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