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Kleppen demontage van 250 SL

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Kleppen demontage van 250 SL

Berichtdoor F3Cees » 01 jun 2020, 08:48

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laatst de olie ververst van de Pagode, vond de olie echt vies.
oliepeil 8 mm onder max en na een ritje van 50 km bleek het oliepeil gestegen te zijn tot max en het waterpeil gezakt.
waarschijnlijk gekomen omdat de thermostaat 3x is blijven hangen, temperatuur steeg tot 110/120 graden , met enkele klappen tegen het huis zakte de temperatuur. ander thermostaat gemonteerd en over.
de oude thermostaat getest in een pannetje water op het vuur en het werkt perfect, gaat mooi open bij 79 gr.
wat kan dat zijn, Lucht?, heb nu een klein gaatje geboord van 1 mm zodat de lucht er uit kan, dit moet ik nog testen.
Dus waarschijnlijk koppakking lek, oliekoeler lek of scheur in de kop.
En omdat ik nog een blok heb liggen dat half gereviseerd is , gaat deze er uit.
Maar eerst de kop gedemonteerd en aan de koppakking is eigenlijk niks te zien dat ie lek is.
En deze kop heb ik nodig voor het revisie blok, dus deze geheel uit elkaar, echter bij demontage van de laatste 2 uitlaat kleppen krijg ik de halve cupjes er niet uit, zitten misschien kraampjes aan, ook kan je de schotel niet verder naar beneden duwen omdat de klep net onder de schotel dikker wordt.
Heeft iemand een idee?
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Re: Kleppen demontage van 250 SL

Berichtdoor Weizengelb » 01 jun 2020, 14:06

Hoi Cees, ik denk een tikje met een ijzeren hamer, dan moeten de halve maantjes loskomen. Eruit vissen met een magneet.

Wel pech zo Cees,

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Re: Kleppen demontage van 250 SL

Berichtdoor john00 » 01 jun 2020, 15:31

Is dit wat...speciale veren tang... :think:
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Re: Kleppen demontage van 250 SL

Berichtdoor drieske » 01 jun 2020, 16:10

Zit er al niet een gaatje in de thermostaat ? Een luchtbel ook wel eens gehad, na een rit met de kachelkraan open was het opgelost. Voor de klep problemen kun ook nog een koudemiddel proberen.
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Re: Kleppen demontage van 250 SL

Berichtdoor F3Cees » 01 jun 2020, 19:56

Hoi Math
de halve maantjes zitten los, je kan echter maar nauwelijks 4 mm de schotel indrukken en komt dan tegen de verdikking van de klep.
John,
mooie tang, maar meer als 4 mm gaat niet, ook niet met deze.
Drieske,
er zit een gaatje in de thermostaat met een kogeltje , dus als het kogeltje naar boven gedrukt wordt kan de lucht er niet uit, nou is het kogeltje zwaarder als lucht, maar het werkt niet, dus daarom extra gaatje
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ps foto van klep demontage steun en demontage pijp voor halve maantjes met sterke magneet
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Re: Kleppen demontage van 250 SL

Berichtdoor JantjeV8 » 03 jun 2020, 09:51

Als je de olieaftapplug van het carter los draait, komt er dan eerst water of sludge uit? Je oliepeil was immers gestegen dus heel aannemelijk dat het water bij de olie terecht is gekomen.
Ik zou dat willen weten om de revisie ook doelgericht aan te kunnen pakken.
Je hebt denk ik ook geen compressielektest gedaan? Of druk op het watercircuit gezet? Of verbrandingsgassen geroken in het waterreservoir? Of aan de knalpijp geroken/gekeken?
Ik meen dat het boren van gaatjes ook geen structurele oplossing is. Iets wat >40 jaar prima heeft gewerkt, het nu even niet goed doet, dat moet gerepareerd worden, boren van gaatjes zie ik als lapmiddel.
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Re: Kleppen demontage van 250 SL

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Hoi Jan,
Uit de aftap plug kwam vuile olie en niet eerst water, de antivries was goed gemengd met de olie,
Compressie test heb ik gedaan , maar deze waren goed.
Druk op water circuit helpt niet, want je ziet de druk zakken, maar je weet niet waar.
Je ruik ook geen verbrandingsgassen in het buffertankje.
Aan de uitlaat zie je ook niets, alleen als ie koud is heb je wat witte rook, maar dat is normaal.
had de water/oliekoeler verdacht, maar deze op 2 bar getest en oke , kan natuurlijk bij hoge temp lekken.
Aan de cilinder kop kan natuurlijk ook een schuurtje zitten die op temp lekt.
Ben nu mijn revisie blok aan het opbouwen en maak een proefopstelling en dan testen, voor er die weer ingaat
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Re: Kleppen demontage van 250 SL

Berichtdoor F3Cees » 04 jun 2020, 08:32

Ondertussen de laatste 4 Halve maantjes er uit gekregen na dagen muggelen, zelfs nog ander hulpstuk gemaakt.
Ga wel de klepveerschotels iets conisch uitdraaien, zodat deze 1mm verder over de klep kan.
Nu de kop vlakken en kleppen schuren.
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Re: Kleppen demontage van 250 SL

Berichtdoor F3Cees » 20 jun 2020, 07:28

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De klep schotels iets uitgedraaid, zodat deze verder over de klep kunnen.
Ook bleek dat de laatste 2 uitlaat kleppen een steilere schuine kant hebben en zodoende de klepschotel er minder ver over kan.
De schuine kant van de kleppen even schoondraaier op 45 graden, moest maar 0,1 mm af.
De zittingen moeten nog gedaan worden en de kop gevlakt.
Daar ik nog een kop heb liggen voor het revisie blok, ga ik daar mee verder.
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Re: Kleppen demontage van 250 SL

Berichtdoor Weizengelb » 21 jun 2020, 12:32

Hoi Cees,

je bent erg handig met de draaibank :-) ik hoop dat het helpt met de veerschotels, vreemd dat dit origineel zo slecht gaat??

Wat betreft gaatjes boren in de thermostaat, ik heb dit vroeger ook wel eens gedaan. Ik had een 200D Heckflosse waarvan de radiateur niet goed meer was. Wanneer ik harder dan 100 km/h reed kookte hij over en dat gebeurde elke dag als ik naar school ging. Ik moest dus ook steeds water bijvullen en dan ging dat ontluchten weer slecht.

Ik heb toen 3 stuks 1 mm gaatjes geboord in de thermostaat (in de buitenring). De auto werd toen erg slecht warm, er gaat dus toch stiekum veel water door zoń gaatje! Ik heb er later 2 weer dicht gemaakt met polyesterhars.

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