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Alles omtrent de carrosserie en de buitenkant, zoals bijv. spuiten, roest, plaatwerk, lassen maar ook spiegels, rubbers en chroom, ruitenwissers etc.
door Luke » 22 jun 2020, 10:29
Beste forumgenoten,
Voor mijn W123 200D heb ik een nieuwe koplamp van Bosch op het oog, omdat er in de originele wat vocht inkomt na heftige regen. Nu zitten er origineel Hella koplampen in. Nu is mijn vraag of een koplamp van Bosch ook in mijn auto zou passen? Of deze uitwisselbaar zijn of dat er dus verschil in pasvorm zit tussen beide koplampen? Het gaat om de versie met H4, de ronde uitvoering zoals op de foto.
Alvast bedankt voor jullie deskundige antwoord.
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door MBreed » 22 jun 2020, 11:09
Het enige verschil is dat Mercedes zowel bij Bosch als Hella bestelde, omdat één fabrikant niet genoeg capaciteit had. Op de wagenkaart van een auto staat dan ook of deze met Bosch of Hella koplampen is uitgevoerd. Verder zijn deze hetzelfde. Als je echt op originaliteit kickt is het dus belangrijk. Als je van merk wisselt zou ik dan wel beide koplampen vervangen en niet één, want dan is het wel een dom gezicht als er op een Hella staat aan de voorkant en op de ander Bosch. Let er ook op dat de eerste serie geen vacuümverstelling had, maar handbediende.
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door RD500sec » 22 jun 2020, 14:39
De bestaande lamp opnieuw afdichten is ook mogelijk, het kan dat het afdichtrubber tussen glas en unit niet goed zit of is ingescheurd, het kan ook dat de dop achterop niet goed afsluit.
Vaak is het kunststof rondom de lampen wat vaal geworden bij de bestaande units, 1 unit vervangen is dan een raar gezicht, ivm kleurverschil. Los van het merkje op het glas is de tekening van het glas ook anders, een Hella heeft een maantje onderin het glas, een Bosch niet. daar ga je je ook aan ergeren.
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door Wiebren240D » 22 jun 2020, 16:53
Hoi
net wat Richard zegt ik zou eerst op onderzoek gaan naar de lekkage.
een paar af dicht strippen zijn zo vervangen denk ik
wens je suc6 en veel plezier toe
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door Dester4749 » 22 jun 2020, 23:13
Hallo Luke, als je nog Nieuwe Bosch Koplampen (1ste typ) zoekt dan heb ik nog wel liggen.
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door Luke » 23 jun 2020, 11:41
Bedankt voor de vele en goede reacties! Inderdaad goed om op te letten Max, handmatige versus pneumatische hoogteverstelling. Altijd leuk om meer te leren over kleine verschillen tussen de W123 jaargangen en uitvoeringen.
Ik heb al eens de koplamp helemaal uit elkaar gehaald en de pakking, glas en pakkingrand bekeken, schoongemaakt en weer in elkaar gezet maar dit mocht niet baten. Om de auto een wat frisser aanzicht te geven leek het me een leuk idee om op termijn wat strakkere koplampen te monteren.
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door Luke » 23 jun 2020, 21:39
Vanavond de nieuwe lamp opgehaald, het bleek toch een handbediende Hella te zijn. Dat komt mooi uit, zo blijft de boel toch origineel. Hij blijkt zelfs nooit gemonteerd geweest te zijn
Binnenkort maar eens netjes monteren. Even aankijken hoe groot het verschil is. Wellicht op termijn ook maar eens een frisse zien te vinden voor LV al heeft dat niet zo'n haast.
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door MBreed » 23 jun 2020, 23:19
Dat is een serie 0,5 koplamp
. Geen H4. Ik neem aan dat bij jou H4 gemonteerd is.
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door MBreed » 24 jun 2020, 10:17
Wat je nog zou kunnen doen is het binnenwerk overzetten. Dus de reflektoren, kabelboom en glas. Dan heb je wel een nieuw huis.
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door Luke » 24 jun 2020, 11:53
Dat zou een optie zijn, al zie ik ook dat er H4 lampen zijn met een duplo voet die er dus ingezet zouden kunnen worden. Er lijken zelfs adapter ringetjes te bestaan.
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door MBreed » 24 jun 2020, 12:31
Tja, Tja. Duplo reflektoren+lampglas geven een ander lichtbeeld dan de H4 varianten, daarnaast zijn de glazen ook optisch verschillend. Het verschil zal niet wereldschokkend zijn als je een H4 lamp in de Duplo lamp monteert, maar ik zou me er zeker aan storen, dus als je dat doet moet je eigenlijk ook voor de andere kant zo'n lamp zoeken.
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door Weizengelb » 24 jun 2020, 18:38
Hoi Luke,
Al met al toch nogal veel varianten. Duplo/H4, Bosch/Hella, handbediend,pneumatisch en dan nog rond of vierkant...
Ik heb nog een NOS (nieuwe) linkse Hella handbediend, 1238205161, maar wel H4...
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door Luke » 25 jun 2020, 10:25
Even goed nadenken wat verstandig is op dit moment. Gisteren heb ik de nieuwe Bilux/duplo lamp met de bestaande H4 vergeleken. De reflectoren lijken het zelfde, en het glas is natuurlijk makkelijk over te zetten. Met een duplo/H4 hybride bolletje in de duplo unit met H4 glas is er wellicht hetzelfde lichtbeeld als met een normale complete H4 unit. Ook op het oog is er dan geen verschil. Dat is nog het proberen waard denk ik.
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door RD500sec » 25 jun 2020, 18:03
Als je H4 reflektor nog goed is, zou ik die overzetten als je toch het lampglas over gaat zetten, dan heb je weer een originele H4.
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door Weizengelb » 28 jun 2020, 07:48
Hoi Luke,
Het geeft vaak ook best bevredigende resultaten om de lamp van binnen op te knappen. Je moet dan het glas eraf halen (klemmen alleen an de kunststofzijde eraf wippen). De reflectoren kun je voorzichtig schoon wassen met een zachte spons en afwasmiddel. Het beste is natuurlijk nieuwe Reflectoren kopen. Dan heb je weer echt goed licht. Meestal is de glans eraf aan de bovenkant van de reflector en daar komt nu juist je dimlicht vandaan.
De horizontale lamellen kun je wat opschuren en weer mooi grijs spuiten. Helaas is dit kunststof in de jaren flink verbrost en brokkelt zelf wat af. Een goede laag verf kan dit weer wat verbeteren. Verder natuurlijk het glas van binnen goed schoonmaken en goede nieuwe lampen erin (Osram/Philips).
Ik heb dit toen ook bij mijn 230E gedaan en was best tevreden.
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door Luke » 17 jul 2020, 12:34
Hoi Math,
Bedankt voor je tips en de foto's, dat ziet er inderdaad weer netjes uit. Tijdens het opknappen heb ik de lampen al eens uit elkaar gehaald en het glas erg goed schoongemaakt + nieuwe philips H4 lampen.
Met het schoonmaken van reflectoren heb ik niet zulke goede ervaringen. Ooit geprobeerd bij een Volvo 460, maar dat ging praktisch niet. Het lijkt me wel erg mooi om de lamellen weer wat op te knappen zoals je schreef, om zo ook weer wat meer contrast terug te krijgen in de lampen. Met welke kleur(code) heb jij dit toen gedaan? Bij mij is het kunstof door de zon ook aangetast.
De nieuwe duplo lamp heb ik trouwens intact gelaten en iemand anders ermee blij kunnen maken (verkocht). Houd de boel liever bij halogeen en gewoon met halogeen units. Heb in elk geval weer wat geleerd over W123 koplampen
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Luke
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