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Specifieke vraag over velgen en banden

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Specifieke vraag over velgen en banden

Berichtdoor Arne » 20 maart 2012, 11:30

Middels de zoekfunctie heb ik al behoorlijk wat info over velgen en banden maten gevonden maar mijn specifieke vraag is nog niet beantwoord:

Ik heb een W123 280E Sedan uit 1977

Daar zitten nu 14” stalen velgen onder met winterbanden 195/70 R14 (Bridgestone Blizzak)

Ik heb de volgende velgen en banden op het oog (2de hands):

Kroonkurken maat: 6,5Jx14 H2 E30
Met banden: 195/65 R14 89H (Vredestein Hi-Trac)

De maten komen niet helemaal overeen. Ik heb al het volgende berekend:

Origineel / Optie:
Breedte: 195 / 195
Hoogte %: 70 / 65
Hoogte MM: 136,5 / 126,75
Hoogte x2 CM: 27,3 / 25,35
Velgen inch: 14 / 14
Velgen CM: 35,56 / 35,56
Diameter CM: 62,86 / 60,91
Omtrek CM: 197,48 / 191,35
Verschil: 6,12
Verschil %: 3,10%

De combinatie velg + band is dus:
- 1,94 CM minder hoog
- 6,12 CM minder omtrek (3,10%)
- De teller geeft dan 3% minder aan
- De motor en bak moeten dan 3% meer toeren draaien om dezelfde snelheid te handhaven (?)
- 3% meer verbruik (?)

Kloppen mijn aannames? Zou dit een probleem zijn?

Daarnaast zie ik via de link op dit forum dat de voorgeschreven velgmaat is: 6Jx14 H2 ET30

http://www.mercedes-benz.de/content/med ... yp_123.pdf

Ik ga nu dus voor 6,5Jx14 H2 E30. Wat is het verschil en kan dat?

Ik heb het gevoel dat de verschillen klein zijn en dat et niet zo veel uitmaakt, zijn jullie het daar mee eens?

Alvast bedankt voor het meedenken!

Gr Arne

p.s. ik ben nog op zoek naar 15 wielbouten (ik heb er al 5) om deze velgen te monteren. Als iemand nog een setje heeft liggen of een goedkoop adresje heeft?
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Re: Specifieke vraag over velgen en banden

Berichtdoor Luigi » 20 maart 2012, 14:15

Hoi Arne.

Je aannamens kloppen niet geheel.
Als je kleinere banden monteert gaat je snelheidsmeter meer aangeven.
Je km tellerkabel zit op de versnellingsbak aangesloten.
Als je meer omwentelingen gaat maken geeft hij ook meer aan.
De kleinere banden geven andere overbrengings-verhoudingen en krachten dus wat het verbruik doet moet je afwachten.
Het verschil tussen een 6.5 j en een 6 J is een half inch.
Je velg en band komen dus ongeveer 6mm meer naar binnen en buiten als de offset (30) gelijk blijft.
Dit kan problemen geven (aanlopen van de banden tijdens het sturen in de uiterste stand).
Mijn suzuki heeft extra hoge banden.
Ik heb hem wel moeten verhogen.
Verder geeft het buiten de teller afwijkingen geen problemen.

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Re: Specifieke vraag over velgen en banden

Berichtdoor The White Rider » 20 maart 2012, 14:40

Voor je W123 is er technisch gezien geen enkel probleem voor die combinatie. 6.5j gaat perfect bij ET30, loop nergens aan.
Bij 70km/u op je teller zal je effectief dan 67.83km/u rijden, ook geen probleem dus. Door de lagere wand van die banden zal je W123 iets harder rijden. Daar tegenover staat dat in de bochten hij iets stabieler zal aanvoelen hierdoor.
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Re: Specifieke vraag over velgen en banden

Berichtdoor Chaco » 29 jul 2020, 23:12

Ik heb momenteel ook 6.5jx14 banden eronder zitten. Weet niet of het me problemen zal leveren. Tijdens het rijden is er moeilijk te horen of er wat aanloopt. Stilstaand zie ik zelf niets aanlopen. Iemand hier meer ervaring mee?
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Re: Specifieke vraag over velgen en banden

Berichtdoor drieske » 30 jul 2020, 20:39

Wij hebben ook Barock velgen in de maat 6.5x14 maar dan met de standaard maat banden 195/70 R14 van Michelin, bevalt prima en loopt echt niet aan. Dacht dat de maat 6.5 breed standaard voor de W107 wordt voorgeschreven maar kan dus ook onder de W123. Het verschil in hoogte van de band (5%) zal wel negatief effect hebben op het verbruik al zal dat niet veel zijn.
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Re: Specifieke vraag over velgen en banden

Berichtdoor Wietse » 30 jul 2020, 20:49

bij mij liepen de 6.5 J met 195/70/14 banden wel aan tegen de stuurkogels met sturen, het gevolg was dat het hoesje kapot ging.
Op de achteras geen probleem.
Ze zitten nu bij mijn broer eronder.Een w107 en een W114/115
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Re: Specifieke vraag over velgen en banden

Berichtdoor Chaco » 30 jul 2020, 21:00

Ik zal morgen eens de voorkant van de auto omhoog krikken en kijken of ze bij mij aanlopen. Wel gek dat het bij de ene wel past en de ander niet.
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Re: Specifieke vraag over velgen en banden

Berichtdoor Govert » 30 jul 2020, 22:52

Hier is nog het plaatje van de door MB toegelaten velgen en banden onder een W123. Het is of 5½ of 6. Groter betekent dat je het op eigen risico doet.

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Re: Specifieke vraag over velgen en banden

Berichtdoor Chaco » 31 jul 2020, 00:46

Handige foto govert! Jammer genoeg kwam ik er pas achter dat er 6,5j velgen onder zaten toen ik nieuwe banden om de velgen geen had gedaan. Ik heb de banden op de grond getest en op de krik maar niks zien of horen aanlopen gelukkig. De maat banden die erop zitten is trouwens 195/70/14. Hoop dat het zo blijft en geen problemen zal opleveren. Wat ik nog wel opmerkte was dat me wielen erg vast zaten. Ik denk dat de remmen niet goed terug gaan. Weer een nieuw probleem helaas.
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