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Afstelling?? Stromberg ??

Berichtdoor Stec » 30 jan 2022, 21:03

Hallo, mede liefhebbers ik heb weer eens jullie hulp nodig ! :doh:
En wel bij het volgende ik ben in bezit van een W123 200 van 1981. waar ook LPG ingebouwd is. Nu is het probleem het volgende: stationeer loopt de Benz redelijk. Maar zo gouw als ik gas geef vallen de toeren weg (als of die te veel lucht/te weinig brandstof krijgt). Maar hij heeft dit ook als ik omschakel van Benzine op LPG. :cry: heeft iemand een idee in welke hoek ik dit probleem moet gaan zoeken ??????
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Re: Afstelling?? Stromberg ??

Berichtdoor BertMercedes » 30 jan 2022, 22:19

Voor een diagnose is het belangrijk om te weten wanneer en hoe, onder welke omstandigheden, het probleem is ontstaan. Kwam het ineens of geleidelijk enz.
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Re: Afstelling?? Stromberg ??

Berichtdoor Stec » 31 jan 2022, 08:21

Het is ongeveer 3 weken geleden begonnen. Nadat de auto een aantal maanden in de schuur had stil gestaan.

Het probleem treedt eigenlijk meteen op nadat de auto gestart is. Stationeer loopt die dan redelijk. Maar als je dan gas geeft vallen bij +- 2000 toeren de toeren weg. (Je krijgt de toeren wel hoger door kort en snel achter elkaar kleine beetjes gas te geven).

Maar verdacht ging in eerste instantie uit naar de carburateurs! Wat ik vreemd zou vinden want op LPG heeft die het zelfde euvel.
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Re: Afstelling?? Stromberg ??

Berichtdoor JantjeV8 » 31 jan 2022, 09:09

Valse lucht.
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Re: Afstelling?? Stromberg ??

Berichtdoor Stec » 31 jan 2022, 09:46

Valse lucht daar ging mijn verdacht ook naar uit. Want even ter bevestiging de carburateur kan ik uit sluiten toch ? Omdat die het met benzine en LPG heeft?

Zijn er bepaalde luchtslangen waar van jullie zeggen bekijk die even goed!
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Re: Afstelling?? Stromberg ??

Berichtdoor Weizengelb » 31 jan 2022, 11:31

Hoi Stefan,

Kijk eens of de cilinder in de carburateur nog makkelijk omhoog en omlaag beweegt. Ook of het membraan op deze cilinder niet gescheurd is. Ik heb na stilstand in een schuur eens een muizennest in de luchtfilter gehad. De Stromberg-cilinder zat toen helemaal vastgeoxideerd en ik heb een breekijzer (en daarna een nieuwe carburateur) moeten gebruiken om de cilinder in beweging te krijgen...

Hopenlijk niet zo heftig maar gewoon even nakijken. Onder aan de cilinder zit een naald die de brandstof vrijgeeft, moet dus meteen omhoog bewegen bij gasgeven en ook geen verstofppingen in de sproeiers.

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Re: Afstelling?? Stromberg ??

Berichtdoor Stec » 31 jan 2022, 13:56

Misschien aankomend weekend de carburateur inderdaad maar even uitbouwen om te kijken of daar eventueel een fout in zit. Al hoewel ik er nog steeds aan twijfel want dan zou die het op LPG toch gewoon moeten doen ?
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Re: Afstelling?? Stromberg ??

Berichtdoor BertMercedes » 31 jan 2022, 15:19

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Re: Afstelling?? Stromberg ??

Berichtdoor resultit » 31 jan 2022, 16:05

Membraam is mijn eerste gedachte, kun je ook snel controleren hoef je de carburatuer niet voor uit te bouwen
de sproeiers vlotters e.d worden op gas niet gebruikt dus blijft vacuuum/valse lucht of membraam over.
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Re: Afstelling?? Stromberg ??

Berichtdoor Stec » 31 jan 2022, 18:29

Helemaal goed ik ga dit een deze dagen allemaal eens controleren! Bedankt alvast voor de snelle reacties en het mee denken. Zo snel ik meer weet laat ik het jullie weten.
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Re: Afstelling?? Stromberg ??

Berichtdoor Jeroen » 01 feb 2022, 08:52

Tijdje geleden bij mijn W123 ook de membraan vervangen:

https://www.team-bhp.com/forum/diy-do-y ... ost4435069

Voor onderdelen: https://www.carburateurwinkel.nl


Zoals je kunt zien was bij mij ook de membraan gescheurd. Maar op zich reed mijn W123 eigenlijk prima. Alleen voelde ik bij het rijden op een vaste snelheid heel licht schokjes. Meeste mensen zouden het niet eens voelen waarschijnlijk. Maar mij irriteerde het, dus van alles proberen.

Het vervangen van de membraan leverde een verbetering op. Uiteindelijk bleek bij mij ook de zuiger nog een een zwaar punt te hebben. Alles meerdere keren uit elkaar gehad en heel secuur schoonmaken!!

Veel succes ermee.

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Re: Afstelling?? Stromberg ??

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Zo juist de carburateur los gehaald maar het membraan was niet gescheurd. Ik heb hem uit voor zorg toch gewisseld maar de zoek tocht gaat verder.

Luchtslangen van en naar de carburateur heb ik ook gecontroleerd op scheuren trouwens. Maar niks gevonden.

Wel is het nog slechter geworden toen ik hem vandaag gestart heb voor dat ik de carburateur los gedraaid heb. De auto bleef alleen stotterend lopen als ik vol gas geef. Bij gas los valt die direct uit.
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Re: Afstelling?? Stromberg ??

Berichtdoor Jeroen » 01 feb 2022, 23:05

Kijk ook nog even naar de rubber aansluiting van de carburateur op het inlaatspruitstuk. Die willlen ook nog wel eens scheuren.

Als je niets kan vinden wat op valse lucht lijkt, zou ik toch ook eens alles van de ontsteking goed controleren.

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Re: Afstelling?? Stromberg ??

Berichtdoor Stec » 02 feb 2022, 11:52

Het rubberen verbindingstuk heb ik ook vervangen dus daar zal het dan ook niet in zitten. Ik ga op zoek bij de ontsteking.
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Re: Afstelling?? Stromberg ??

Berichtdoor Stec » 06 feb 2022, 20:59

Update, ik heb de carburateur na gekeken vandaag. En er was me opgevallen dat een cilinder bij het choke gedeelte vast zat (hij stond om hoog) deze heb ik gangbaar gemaakt. En na het inbouwen liep de Benz weer goed op LPG. Benzine moet ik vermoedelijk nog wat aan doen. Hij start goed op benzine valt alleen daarna gelijk uit. [IMG]https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20220206/b9fa041839c0f9a99cded3d7db5e2b4e.jpg[/IMG]
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