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Wat mij nou is overkomen.. dakraam

Alles omtrent de carrosserie en de buitenkant, van de Heckflosse, Ponton, Pagode en ouder, zoals bijv. spuiten, roest, plaatwerk, lassen maar ook spiegels, rubbers en chroom, ruitenwissers etc.

Wat mij nou is overkomen.. dakraam

Berichtdoor Merrie94 » 15 mei 2022, 18:32

Vanmiddag reed ik na een heerlijke rit terug naar huis via de snelweg. Het was nogal warm, dus wilde ik mijn dakje openen. Eenmaal de knop ingedrukt schoot mijn dak volledig de lucht in. Ik reed ca. 100km/h en moest echt snel schakelen. Met mijn rechterhand aan het dak en linkerhand aan het stuur heb ik de auto veilig tot stilstand gebracht.

Resultaat: dak defect.. motor loopt wel, kabel is niet gebroken. Echter is de metalen omhulsel van de kabel door de klap gebogen. Hem hem geprobeerd recht te maken, maar tevergeefs.

Nu ben ik even klaar met het sleutelen en ben ik sinds de aankoop nogal veel geld kwijt.

Is er een garage of liefhebber in de buurt van Amsterdam of Utrecht die behendig is met dakraampjes voor niet al te hoge uurlonen?
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Re: Wat mij nou is overkomen.. dakraam

Berichtdoor Wiebren240D » 15 mei 2022, 18:59

Hoi

dan schrik je denk ik echt wel even.
moet er niet aan denken dat mij dat overkomt.
daarom doe ik echt mijn schuifdak niet.

of ik je kan helpen misschien wel maar woon wel in Sneek.
ik merk wel van hoe en wat.

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Re: Wat mij nou is overkomen.. dakraam

Berichtdoor Merrie94 » 15 mei 2022, 20:26

Net gebeld met Wiebren. Wiebren bedankt! We hebben er telefonisch over gesproken. Wiebren raadde het aan om bij Thimo te kijken. Die heeft ook onderdelen dus 1+1=2.

Zijn er nog meer opties heren? Iets in de buurt van Utrecht?
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Re: Wat mij nou is overkomen.. dakraam

Berichtdoor Jeroen » 15 mei 2022, 22:36

Cor de Jong, Bergambacht. Zeer betrouwbaar en een van de beste klassieker MB specialisten.

https://mercedes-klassiekerservice.nl

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Re: Wat mij nou is overkomen.. dakraam

Berichtdoor Weizengelb » 20 mei 2022, 14:42

Hoi Mo.

Zeer vervelend probleem. Ik denk dat de bovenste afdekrails missen in jouw dak waardoor deze niet vastgehouden wordt. Nu is de buis van de kabel verbogen. Als je deze niet weer recht krijgt en hij moet vervangen worden moet de hemel eruit want deze zit vast achter tegen het dak.

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Re: Wat mij nou is overkomen.. dakraam

Berichtdoor Dyobak » 24 mei 2022, 11:17

Je raad het nooit, het is mij dus ook overkomen deze week. Weten jullie zo misschien nog iemand die onderdelen heeft liggen voor een 230C zonnedak/schuifdak? Heb al wat demontage bedrijven afgebeld maar kan er zo nog geen vinden. Mocht iemand nog wat hebben liggen dan zou dit super zijn!
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Berichtdoor Dyobak » 28 mei 2022, 16:58

Hi Mo,

Ik heb nog onderdelen gevonden. In nieuwe Pekela bij Jan eppens.
Hij heeft nog 2, 230 coupes staan. Je moet het er wel zelf uit slopen. Maar dus nog wel op voorraad. Voor 50 euro was ik klaar, nieuwe kabel, buisje plus dwarsligger, afdekplaatjes, scharnieren en windvanger. Meteen handig als je nog meer nodig hebt, 1 van de 2 was nog vrij compleet.

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Berichtdoor Merrie94 » 30 mei 2022, 20:32

Bedankt Dyonn! Nieuwe Pakela is voor mij bijna 2 uur rijden :-O! Even kijken wat ik kan doen. Heb jij je dak al gerepareerd? Succes met de reparatie.
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Re: Wat mij nou is overkomen.. dakraam

Berichtdoor Merrie94 » 11 jun 2022, 00:15

Goedenavond allen, zijn we weer.

Inmiddels heb ik de kabel van mijn dakraam laten vervangen, de buis onder het dak vervangen én de dakrails laten plaatsen.

Nu kan mijn dak niet naar achter en kan ik dus ook het stukje bekleding niet monteren. Het dak gaat voor ongeveer 2 centimeter open en blokkeert dan. Dat blokkeren heeft te maken met het feit dat de leiding, die vanaf het midden van het dak tot aan achteren loopt, krom is. Inmiddels ook contact gezocht met Jans Eppens. Die heeft een coupe staan, maar daar moet je zelf de onderdelen uit de auto schroeven. Ik kan dat niet + het is 2 uur rijden enkele reis.

Zijn er forumleden die in de buurt van Utrecht of Almere en in het bezit zijn van zo’n leiding? Zijn er ook forumleden die dit voor mij kunnen vervangen op het moment dat ik er één heb gevonden?

Het gaat om de leiding op onderstaande foto en je ziet ook dat die aan het begin krom is. Het is ook alleen dat stukje die gebogen is en daardoor niet meer 1 op 1 in elkaar kan schuiven in combinatie met de korte leiding die precies onder het dakje vast zit.

Is het misschien een optie om dit nog recht te buigen op een of andere manier?

Hoop dat iemand me hiermee kan helpen.
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Re: Wat mij nou is overkomen.. dakraam

Berichtdoor RD500sec » 11 jun 2022, 11:25

Als ik je goed begrijp, is de door het open waaien krom geraakte buis vervangen voor een andere kromme buis? En is de binnenkabel vervangen?
Dus, de hemel is gedemonteerd, daarvoor ook het achterruit om erbij te komen om de buis te vervangen?
Of zijn alleen de lijsten aangebracht, zodat de dakplaat niet meer omhoog komt?

Het eerste lijkt mij onwaarschijnlijk.
Ik hoop dat ik je verkeerd begrijp.
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Re: Wat mij nou is overkomen.. dakraam

Berichtdoor Merrie94 » 11 jun 2022, 12:13

In het dak zijn eigenlijk voor zover ik weet een aantal onderdelen van belang.

1. Leiding die vanaf het middengedeelte van het dak tot aan de achterkant loopt langs het motortje. ( Niet vervangen, die is nog krom zie foto).
2. Kleine houder/buis/leiding die precies onder het dakje zit. (Vervangen, is nu recht).
3. Kabel die van vooraan de auto tot aan de motor loopt. (Vervangen, is nu weer heel).
4. Twee metalen platen die het dak vast houden. (Nooit gemonteerd geweest en nu weer wel).

Nummer 4 ontbrak waardoor ik op de snelweg bij het openen van het dak te maken had met een dak die omhoog de lucht in schoot en eigenlijk alles heeft krom getrokken.

Nummer 3 (de kabel) was kapot en heb ik laten vervangen.
Nummer 2 was heel krom en heb ik laten vervangen.

Nummer 1 is lichtelijk krom aan het begin (zie foto) en is nog niet vervangen. Nummer 1 is dan ook het onderdeel die ik zoek en tevens iemand voor zoek om te laten monteren.

De hemel bekleding is er niet afgeweest, maar het kleine stukje bekleding wat enkel onder het open dakje wordt geplaatst is nu wel los. Die kan ik namelijk niet monteren, aangezien het dak daarvoor open moet. Het stukje bekleding kan alleen bovenlangs in de hemelbekleding geschoven worden.

Het is een beetje een warrig verhaal, omdat ik zelf ook niet overal verstand van heb. Hoop dat het nu helder is.
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Re: Wat mij nou is overkomen.. dakraam

Berichtdoor RD500sec » 11 jun 2022, 13:13

Duidelijk!

Je zou kunnen proberen het stukje leiding wat nog krom is, te richten.
Als je uit twee plaatjes hout de halve diameter van de leiding freest, en deze op elkaar achter de knik om de leiding klemt, dan de beide houtjes naar je toe trekken. Of 1 van de gefreesde plaatjes onder de leiding houden en dan de leiding terug buigen in de gefreesde uitsparing, zodat hij weer recht is. (Gaat mogelijk beter)
Het is wat lastig werken in de ruimte die je hebt, maar ik denk te doen.

Alternatief is, leiding vervangen, en dat is veel werk.
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Re: Wat mij nou is overkomen.. dakraam

Berichtdoor Merrie94 » 11 jun 2022, 14:42

Bedankt voor de uitleg. Theoretisch zou het de mogelijke oplossing kunnen zijn. Is het iets waar je zelf aan zou kunnen werken? Tegen betaling uiteraard.
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Re: Wat mij nou is overkomen.. dakraam

Berichtdoor RD500sec » 12 jun 2022, 12:10

Je hebt een mailtje van mij gehad, Mo.
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Re: Wat mij nou is overkomen.. dakraam

Berichtdoor Merrie94 » 28 jun 2022, 10:21

Goedemorgen allen,

De leiding van mijn dakraam is nog steeds krom. Het gaat hierbij om de achterzijde, dus niet die meteen onder het dak, die is namelijk al vervangen.

Zijn er forum leden die hiermee handig zijn en op een creatieve manier de leiding weer kaarsrecht kunnen krijgen? Mocht dit allemaal echt niet lukken, dan ben ik genoodzaakt om de gehele leiding aan te schaffen en te laten vervangen (bizar veel werk = hoge kosten). Het wordt steeds mooier weer, dus dat dakje mag echt wel open.. :roll: :sad

Op onderstaande foto zie je dat de leiding al een stuk rechter is. De foto uit de eerdere post was een foto recent nadat het dak was open geklapt.

Onderstaande foto is na wat hand werk en vervanging van de eerste leiding (direct onder het dakje), de binnenkabel en wat kleine dak onderdeeltjes.

Je ziet dat er nog minimale knikjes aanwezig zijn, maar nog steeds ervoor zorgen dat het dak niet helemaal open kan. Het is duidelijk voelbaar en niet heel goed te zien op de foto. Het dak schuift naar achter tot aan het gedeelte waar de rode streep zit.
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Re: Wat mij nou is overkomen.. dakraam

Berichtdoor MBBelgium » 29 jun 2022, 15:24

is het geen idee om een metalen pin/stang te zoeken met de juiste diameter die precies in deze leiding past en deze door de leiding te forceren om die weer recht te duwen? is maar een ideetje
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Re: Wat mij nou is overkomen.. dakraam

Berichtdoor Wietse » 29 jun 2022, 23:46

Ik heb in een ver verleden 2 coupe's gesloopt , ik zal eens op me zolder gaan zoeken of ea er nog is. maar ik beloof niks. toevallig moet ik morgen de zolder op om iets te zoeken voor mezelf.
Overigens in mijn vage herindering ( kan me vergissen ) zit die bewust buis vast aan het dak, gelast misschien?
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Re: Wat mij nou is overkomen.. dakraam

Berichtdoor RD500sec » 30 jun 2022, 09:53

Even je geheugen opfrissen :)
De buis zit in houder 228 en is verder met klemmen 213 en 219 vast geschroefd.

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Re: Wat mij nou is overkomen.. dakraam

Berichtdoor Wietse » 30 jun 2022, 17:52

Ik heb gezocht , maar niet gevonden. Het zal wel in de auto zijn blijven zitten. Je kan er toch ook hand bediende van maken ?
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