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Roest chassisbalken

Alles omtrent de carrosserie en de buitenkant, zoals bijv. spuiten, roest, plaatwerk, lassen maar ook spiegels, rubbers en chroom, ruitenwissers etc.

Roest chassisbalken

Berichtdoor MBBelgium » 09 jan 2017, 19:30

Ik heb jullie raad nodig!

Ik wil stilletjes aan aan de Benz beginnen. gisteren was ik wat aan het rondkijken om te zien waar beginnen. Toen ik op mijn rug lag half onder de auto, zag ik een stuk die "tectyl" die meer glimde dan de rest... Dat vond ik raar en ben er dan aan beginnen trekken met dit als resultaat:

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DSC_0152 (Custom).JPG (227.91 KiB)


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DSC_0167 (Custom).JPG (201.03 KiB)


Dit is op de zijkant van de chassisbalk.

Ben dan natuurlijk verder op onderzoek gegaan en vond nog zo een glimmende stuk aan de onderkant van de chassisbalk. Ook daar ben ik aan beginnen prutsen met dit als resultaat:

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DSC_0154 (Custom).JPG (220.55 KiB)


Na wat verder koteren ben ik ondertussen tot dit mooi resultaat gekomen:

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DSC_0166 (Custom).JPG (204.55 KiB)


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DSC_0169 (Custom).JPG (207.57 KiB)


Op diezelfde chassisbalk, aan de voorkant, overgang van de achterste stuk met de voorste stuk die omhoog gaat heb ik ook zitten koteren:

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DSC_0176 (Custom).JPG (158.64 KiB)


Let op de mooie reparatie die in het verleden is uitgevoerd :) (onderste zwart plaatje is gewoon gelast bovenop de roest...) :

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DSC_0186 (Custom).JPG (231.5 KiB)


En als laatste de overgang tussen de 2 stukken:

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DSC_0188 (Custom).JPG (194.76 KiB)


Het komt er dus op neer dat de vorige eigenaar de mooie chassisbalk heeft weggestopt onder een laag tectyl. Zelf had ik het niet gezien bij de aankoop. De bodems binnenin de wagen zien er perfect uit...

Nu mijn vraag, is dit te redden? Is het de moeite waard om te redden of laat ik de wagen gaan in onderdelen en zoek ik een andere?
Jullie begrijpen waarschijnlijk dat ik super teleurgesteld ben... Ik wacht al jaren om aan de auto te beginnen, nu ik er eindelijk wil aan beginnen zie ik dit... Breekt volledig mijn droom :-) heb al massa's onderdelen verzameld voor deze wagen....
Indien te redden, kan er iemand mij aanraden hoe hieraan beginnen? Toen ik gisteren de achterste chassibalk zag was ik down maar vanmorgen dacht ik: valt wel te repareren. Maar toen ik daarnet zag dat de overgang van die 2 balken ook omzeep is... Dat is volgens mij lastiger te lassen? Wie heeft hier ervaring mee?
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Re: Roest chassisbalken

Berichtdoor wasibi » 09 jan 2017, 20:14

Een eenvoudige klus is het niet maar een mooie echt roestarme 123 vinden is ook niet eenvoudig.
Gewoon aan beginnen!

Eerst maar eens een beetje schoondraaien met een scotchbrite schijf. werkt heel goed met een toerenregelbare slijptol.
Rusig de pvc coating weghalen zonder dat deze verbrand.

Het grootste gevaar is dat je je hele auto uitelkaar gaat halen en op een gegeven moment met een complete restauratie bezig bent.
Ik zeg gaten dichtlassen, tectileren en RIJDEN, genieten!

Voor een totaalrestauratie kun je een mooie Benz kopen bv bij Sterkmerk..

Bezint eer ge daaraan begint ;)
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Re: Roest chassisbalken

Berichtdoor Pieter1967 » 09 jan 2017, 21:06

Hallo Tim,

Als dit alles is wat je aantreft dan valt het erg mee. Ik zeg, (laten) aanpakken dat ding en rijden maar. Ik moet er wel bij zeggen dat je precies weet waar je aan begint, namelijk het eerste schroefje dat je eruit draait maar dat je nooit weet waar je het eindigt. Achter elk onderdeel dat je verwijdert kan een volgend probleem schuil gaan. Momenteel ben ik van een Volvo 164 het laswerk aan het doen en dat valt ook iedere keer weer tegen. Ikzelf heb nog nooit aan een auto mogen (kunnen) werken waarvan ik achteraf kon zeggen dat de klus meeviel.

Succes.

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Re: Roest chassisbalken

Berichtdoor MBBelgium » 09 jan 2017, 21:12

Dag Alex en Pieter,

Dank voor de berichtjes. Ik wil het ook niet zo snel opgeven... Maar ben gewoon bang dat het niet te doen is. Maar als jullie zeggen van wel... Zal er eens de slijptol inzetten, heb toch niets te verliezen...

Er zijn nog op andere plaatsen roest, namelijk bij de wielkassen, maar dat zijn de gekende plaatsen en minder kritiek. Deze is wat lastiger, omdat het de chassisbalk zelf is...

Kunnen jullie misschien wat tips geven? Want ik vermoed dat het achterst deel in het voorste deel zit geschoven? hoe pak ik dit aan?
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Re: Roest chassisbalken

Berichtdoor Wietse » 09 jan 2017, 21:20

Woon je niet in de buurt van Toontje, zeeland ofzo in NL Die meneer heeft er zijn hobby van gemaakt :lol: , die kan je goed advies geven en het eventueel ook daar laten lassen..
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Re: Roest chassisbalken

Berichtdoor MBBelgium » 09 jan 2017, 21:23

Nope, België :-(
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Re: Roest chassisbalken

Berichtdoor Arjan23 » 09 jan 2017, 21:59

Even een opmerking over STERKMERK ik heb daar ook een Benz gekocht en
over de leus onverprutst zou ik niet al te serious nemen

Voor de rest hou ik me mond er over
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Re: Roest chassisbalken

Berichtdoor Bart200D » 09 jan 2017, 22:56

Toontje is niet ver he Tim ! Dik uur bollen.


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Re: Roest chassisbalken

Berichtdoor johnprins12 » 09 jan 2017, 23:01

Hoi,

Het is ook niet onverstandig je eerst te verdiepen in het geen ze aanbieden.
Het is gewoon een feit er is veel troep te koop, en glimmen misschien mooi maar kunnen veel manieren.
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Re: Roest chassisbalken

Berichtdoor MB280E » 09 jan 2017, 23:11

Tim, ga gerust eens met je wagen naar Toontje die heeft er al genoeg verstand van om te vertellen of het doenbaar is om deze te redden of deze rijp is voor de sloot.
Mijn tip, bezint eer je begint. Er zijn genoeg gestrande projecten te koop. En soms moet je ook eens doorzetten.
(Heb ik trouwens ook moeten doen met mijn 300TDT W124, had ook iets meer roest dan gedacht, rijdt wel heel fijn) :blush:
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Re: Roest chassisbalken

Berichtdoor MBBelgium » 10 jan 2017, 14:48

Probleem is dat even naar Toontje brengen niet zo simpel is :-) De auto mag niet de baan op.
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Re: Roest chassisbalken

Berichtdoor Bart200D » 10 jan 2017, 22:23

Tim, de kost van bij toon te brengen weegt niet op tegen de kosten die je later eventueel zal tegenkomen. Ik zou eerlijk gezegd ook opteren voor inspectie bij toontje


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Re: Roest chassisbalken

Berichtdoor Toontje » 11 jan 2017, 07:25

hoi hoi ik denk dat wat of je ziet maar het begin is
maar alles is te redden alleen hangt er wel een prijskaartje aan nu ben ik niet duur maar toch het loopt wel op
ben nu bezig met een 124 CE en die is nog redelijk jong maar ja als je eenmaal begint
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Re: Roest chassisbalken

Berichtdoor MBBelgium » 11 jan 2017, 15:35

Hey Toontje, ik volg en admireer jouw werk op facebook! Ik reageer bijna nooit maar kijk iedere keer met bewondering! Altijd mooi en netjes! Chapeau!

@Bart, daar heb je wel gelijk in. Maar de vraag is of dat de auto het nog waard is om al die kosten te gaan doen... Jammer genoeg is niet enkel dat plekje slecht, de bekende plekjes zijn ook slecht (wielbogen etc), maar dit is de kers op de taart :-)
Ik denk dat ik dit weekend eens de slijptol ga bovenhalen. Heb niets te verliezen. Heb al gezien dat het stukje balk nog te krijgen is via Mercedes aan een redelijke prijs (A 123 622 01 04). De rest zal knip en plakwerk worden eenmaal het zover is.
Ik vrees dus dat de wagen hier nog lang in de garage zal staan... :-(
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Re: Roest chassisbalken

Berichtdoor Henk Lith » 12 jan 2017, 00:24

Hoi Tim, ik denk dat de meeste W123 rijders de momenten die je nu doormaakt wel herkennen,,, ik wel in ieder geval.
Ik heb iedere keer maar weer gedacht,, wat leerzaam alles he :lol: en wat een creativiteit kan je er in kwijt, om alles netjes of in elk geval adequaat op te lossen, en denk is wat het kost om al die tijd in de kroeg te zitten :silly:
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Re: Roest chassisbalken

Berichtdoor wasibi » 12 jan 2017, 09:19

Voordeel is ook dat alles wat aan de onderkant redelijk dik is en vooral niet op het zicht zit. Kun je lekker oefenen.
Begin stuk voor stuk, ga vooral niet alle rotte stukken er in 1 keer uitslijpen.. je bent in no time het overzicht kwijt en daarna de zin ;-)
Plaatwerk is 1 ding maar spuiten kost een kapitaal dus de bodem is goed te doen.

Je kunt stukken plaatstaal kopen bij de automaterialen handel, met een bankschroef en een paar stukjes profiel en hamer kan je al snel een stukje koker maken.

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Re: Roest chassisbalken

Berichtdoor MBBelgium » 12 jan 2017, 09:59

Dank u wel mannen. Ik ga het inderdaad proberen stukje per stukje.

Ik heb nog een vraagje over de opbouw van die onderkant (iemand toevallig een tekening van de doorsnede?). Ik zie namelijk boven de balk een plaat (die volledig weggeroest is (waar mijn schroevendraaier op zit) en daarboven nog een plaat (bodemplaat?).
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De bovenste plaat is nog goed op het eerste zicht. Nu is het zo dat ik op de tekeningen van onderdelen nergens 2 platen zie... Ik zie enkel de bodemplaat, de koker en de dorpel. Iemand die mij wegwijs kan maken

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Hier ook nog eens een foto waar we de binnenkant kunnen zien. Daar is een stukje binnen dorpel te zien die rot is, maar niet tot boven, en een stuk vloerplaat (?) die weggerot is.

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Re: Roest chassisbalken

Berichtdoor wasibi » 12 jan 2017, 14:32

De bodemplaat en binnendorpel zijn 1 geheel, de buitendorpel zit hier aan de onderkant tegen(overheen) met een strook van +/- 1 cm
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Re: Roest chassisbalken

Berichtdoor MBBelgium » 12 jan 2017, 16:29

ok, dus boven die balk hoort er dus enkel een bodemplaat te zitten. En ik heb op het eerste zicht 2 platen op elkaar, dus hoogstwaarschijnlijk een slechte reparatie .....
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Re: Roest chassisbalken

Berichtdoor MB280E » 12 jan 2017, 21:51

Als ik de foto's zie dan denk ik dat de wagen heel erg rot is. Er is zo te zien al veel verstopt geweest.
Zou dus eerst een grondige inventarisatie maken van de roestschade. Alles is uiteindelijk wel te herstellen, maar loont het wel? Vlakke plaat kost uiteindelijk geen drol. Het zijn de uren die het hem doen.
En zoals Alex al zei, stukje per stukje doen.

Hier heeft een paar links van gelijkaardige roestschade. Veel leesplezier

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280E 1982 5-bak verbruik 1/8 viewtopic.php?f=10&t=8038&start=0
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