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Steekas ring W123

Berichtdoor Weedles » 29 apr 2012, 21:32

Beste Benzers,

Ik heb nieuwe steekassen gekocht en wilde ze vandaag monteren. Dat ging vrij soepel behalve dan dat een ring die om de oude assen zat niet past op de nieuwe (Nr. 11 in de bijlage). Als ik de ring van de oude assen op de nieuwe assen overzet dan heb ik te weinig ruimte om de borgring in het differentieel om de steekassen te krijgen. Kan het kwaad als ik die vulringen aan de buitenkant gewoon weglaat? Er zit dan niet of slechts minimale speling op de steekassen in de lengterichting.

Ik hoor het graag.

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Re: Steekas ring

Berichtdoor Wiebren240D » 29 apr 2012, 22:10

Hallo Wietse

die ring mag je niet vergeten die is er voor om de speeling tussen je steekas en het lager op te vullen ga je zonder rijden dan kun je binnenkort om een ander diffrentieel

ik denk dat er iets met de steekas aan de hand is ik heb zelf al verschillende steekassen vervangen maar dit probleem nog niet mee gemaakt die ring hoort bij het diffrentieel niet bij de steekas.

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Re: Steekas ring

Berichtdoor Weedles » 29 apr 2012, 22:35

Hoi Wiebren,

Bedoel je speling in de lengterichting van de steekas? Ik kan namelijk geen speling voelen. Zou ik er misschien iets dunnere ringen in kunnen zetten?

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Re: Steekas ring

Berichtdoor Wiebren240D » 29 apr 2012, 23:18

Hallo Wietse

ja speeling in de lengte richting dat moet echt nul zijn.

dunnere ringen zou ik niet doen komt echt precies de lagers in het diffrentieel moeten een bepaalde speeling hebben daar is echt wel over nagedacht.
ik ben ze wel tegen gekomen dat mensen een beetje van die ringen afslijpen om het maar pas te krijgen maar na een paar honderd km komen ze langs Wiebren wat is dit even wat vragen dan komt de aap gauw uit de mouw dan weet ik wel wat er aan de hand is.
een ander diffrentieel is wel werk maar ik voorkom het liever.

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Re: Steekas ring

Berichtdoor Govert » 30 apr 2012, 00:02

De ringen zijn er in verschillende diktes. Er mag geen speling zijn, maar de borgring moet nog wel kunnen draaien.

Wel vreemd dat de oude ring te dik is.
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Re: Steekas ring

Berichtdoor WJ15129 » 30 apr 2012, 10:41

Wietse,

Je heb het over een nieuwe steekas. Mag ik vragen welk merk je hebt gekocht, en waar? Is het een originele MB as of is het een aftermarket? Ik moet namelijk ook een andere erin hebben, want er zit speling op een van de homokineten. En ik twijfel over een weer gebruikte te kopen, zoals degene met de speling, die ik er vorig jaar op de camping in Frankrijk eronder moest sleutelen, of een echt nieuwe aftermarket. Mijn twijfel komt niet voort uit de kwaliteit, die zal ongetwijfeld een gebruikte originele van 30 jaar oud evenaren, maar of de maten wel exact overeenkomen met origineel. Wat jij hebt is precies waar ik bang voor ben bij een imitatie. En dit hoeft niet bij alle merken imitatie zo te zijn, vandaar mijn nieuwsgierigheid naar het merk.
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Re: Steekas ring

Berichtdoor The White Rider » 30 apr 2012, 12:50

Als je naar de dealer gaat, en een hoop van die ringen haalt in verschillende diktes, dan krijg je het volgens mij zeker voor mekaar. Die dingen kunnen toch niet zo veel kosten toch?
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Re: Steekas ring

Berichtdoor Weedles » 30 apr 2012, 23:14

Hieronder een foto van mijn nieuwe en oude assen.

Ik heb de nieuwe assen besteld bij misterauto: http://www.mister-auto.nl/fl/aandrijfas ... 31804.html

Maar zonder bericht deze ontvangen (die ik op de site van mister auto niet tegenkom): http://www.oscaro.com/cardan-da-silva-s ... 75982-13-p

Toen miste nog een klem om de ashoes en zat er eentje slordig gemonteerd. Dus die heb ik zelf nog even gehaald en de boel netjes afgewerkt. Vervolgens nu dus gedoe met het passen.

Ik ben volgens goed gebruik maar gaan meten en merkte dat er een millimeter verschil is tussen de nieuwe assen en de oude assen (zie de foto). Er zit nu een vulring van 3 mm dik omheen. Donderdag vrij dus dan ga ik inderdaad op zoek naar ringen van 2 mm dik of iets daaromtrent.

Dank voor de hulp tot nu toe en suggesties zijn altijd welkom.
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Ik meet dus een millimeter verschil....
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Re: Steekas ring

Berichtdoor WJ15129 » 01 mei 2012, 10:50

De vulringen zijn te koop met een dikteverschil van 0,1 mm, het komt nogal precies. Verder schrijft de WIS dat je de veer waarmee je de as vastzet in het differentieel altijd moet vernieuwen, dat heb ik ook nog nooit gedaan maar als je toch bij de dealer bent.. En een jaar of 18 geleden heb ik eens een keerring vervangen in het differentieel en toen zei de magazijnman dat ik de ring, waar de lange bout doorgaat om je as in de naaf vast te zetten, ook moest vervangen. Dit is namelijk een soort platte veer, die je met een momentsleutel op de juiste spanning zet en dan kom je er nooit weer aan. Hij zei als je daar de oude ring voor gebruikt dan kloppen de trekkrachten niet meer, omdat de spanning dan uit de veer is.
Dit zijn alleen maar wat tips. Maar als je splinternieuwe assen monteert dan moeten ze wel een tijdje meegaan, likt mij, en dan is een paar euro extra voor veerringen misschien toch een goede investering.
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Re: Steekas ring

Berichtdoor Weedles » 01 mei 2012, 13:46

Hoi Willem,

Ik heb bij de as nieuwe ringen bouten voor in de wielnaaf gekregen. Het pijpje wat daar bij zit is overigens langer dan wat ik er uit gehaald heb en naar mijn mening te lang dus die ga ik niet gebruiken (ik hergebruik de oude).

Wat betreft de vulring doe ik het volgende. Ik koop iets van 10 verschillende maten (dan neem ik aan dat ze niet te duur zijn) en dan stop ik de dikste ring ertussen waarbij de borgring nog vrij kan draaien. Dat wordt zeker een tijdje klungelen en passen maar dat lijkt me het beste.

Hopelijk is het dan echt klaar want ik wil eind volgende week wel gewoon op vakantie....

Wederom veel dank voor alle support want soms vraag ik me weleens af waar ik in hemelsnaam aan begonnen ben en dan is het fijn als er een paar mensen mee willen denken.

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Re: Steekas ring

Berichtdoor Wiebren240D » 02 mei 2012, 21:43

Hoi Wietse

ik deed voor ik naar de dealer ging de nieuwe steek as eerst over de gehele lengte meten eerst met de homokneten in elkaar gedrukt en daarna helemaal uit getrokken en dan meet je de oude steekas ook als die maten overeen komen is er niks aan de hand maar als het niet zo is moet je denk ik om andere steek assen moet

want ik denk dat de nieuwe steek assen onder een W124 of W126 horen

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Re: Steekas ring

Berichtdoor Pwokke » 07 sep 2014, 12:54

Ook nu weer blijkt dit forum erg handig, want ik loop tegen exact hetzelfde probleem aan. Onderweg naar onze vakantiebestemming in Zwitserland is de manchet van de rechter steekas gescheurd. Op zich vreemd, want 4 dagen ervoor was hij net APK gekeurd en hadden ze toch moeten zien dat de hoes slecht was. Mogelijk is het ontstaan omdat we met een caravan reden en de auto achter lager lag dan normaal. Gevolg was dat de homokineet sneuvelde, dit resulteerde een een klonk-klonk-klonk geluid. We hebben de eindbestemming echter toch gehaald en de ANWB heeft de auto terug naar Nederland gehaald. Reparatie in Zwitserland zou mij €1500 gekost hebben. Dacht het niet dus.
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In Nederland meteen beide steekasssen maar laten vervangen. Hier liep men ook tegen het probleem aan dat het met de oude simringen niet mogelijk was de sluitringen aan het uiteinde te plaatsen. Er zijn toen diverse maten simringen besteld, maar geen één paste. Uiteindelijk blijkt de boel in elkaar gezet te zijn zonder simringen. Nu hoor ik bij het optrekken, schakkelen en remmen een flink bonk achterin. Ik wil de boel nu zelf uit elkaar halen en alsnog simringen plaatsen. Echter, ik heb wel een redelijk ruime garage, maar geen brug.
Mijn vraag is nu: gaat mij dit lukken door gewoon de achterkant op te krikken of gaat dat een lastig klusje worden?

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Re: Steekas ring

Berichtdoor Coupe280 » 07 sep 2014, 13:29

ja hoor dat lukt zeker zonder brug of put.
ik heb dat soort klusjes regelmatig gedaan zonder brug.
wel heel goed opkrikken en stutten.
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Re: Steekas ring

Berichtdoor Pwokke » 07 sep 2014, 20:09

Vanmiddag de auto opgekrikt en gestart met het demonteren. Waar ik van schrok, was dat de steekas ook niet goed vast zat aan de wielzijde. De bout waarmee de steekas geborgd moet worden zat wel vast, maar er zat enorme speling in het geheel. Bij het verwijderen van de bout kwam ik erachter hoe dit kon, de afstandsbus waarin de bout zit, is te lang.
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Ik heb het EPC erbij gepakt en wat blijkt, deze zijn verkrijgbaar in 2 maten.
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Even nagemeten, en ik heb idd de langere versie. Morgen dus maar de juist maat bestellen en meteen een nieuwe ring, bout en diverse maten simringen. Volgens mij moet het daar wel mee goedkomen :)
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Re: Steekas ring

Berichtdoor WJ15129 » 07 sep 2014, 20:45

Koop ook gelijk oliekeerringen voor het differentieel, als deze nog niet vernieuwd zijn. Kosten een paar euro en als je ze over een tijdje alsnog moet vervangen moet alles er weer uit. De ring die aan de buitenzijde zit moet je altijd vervangen bij verwisseling, dit is een soort van platte veer die er voor zorgt dat de boel op zijn plek blijft. Een keer op de juiste spanning vastzetten, 35 Nm en het glijvlak tussen bout en schijf insmeren met olie, en daarna nooit meer aan draaien. Ook het clipje waarmee de as in het differentieel vast zit hoort eigenlijk vernieuwd, kost €0,35 bij de dealer.
Zo heb ik het twee jaar geleden ook gedaan. Bij mij ook tijdens de vakantie een homokineet stuk tijdens het rijden met de caravan. Maar ik ben er nog steeds van overtuigd dat er eerst een stuk van de homokineet is afgebroken en dat dit door de hoes geschoten is, waardoor deze stuk ging. En dat twee jaar achtereen, eerste jaar de rechter, het jaar daarna de linker.
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Re: Steekas ring

Berichtdoor Maikel » 07 sep 2014, 20:51

Sitzbank raus.......Laderaum noch größer !!!
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Re: Steekas ring

Berichtdoor Weedles » 07 sep 2014, 22:42

Ha Patrick,

Ik zie dat ik nooit in dit topic heb aangegeven of het uiteindelijk gelukt is of niet. Ik heb alweer meer dan twee jaar geleden de heleboel weer in elkaar gekregen met andere vulringen waardoor de speling nagenoeg nul was. Helemaal perfect was het echter niet omdat ik niet precies de goede dikte vulring kon krijgen. Daarna zijn we met de auto zonder problemen naar Madrid gereden waarna de auto gestolen is. Heb dus nooit geweten of het weer echt duurzaam in elkaar was gezet of niet.

Wat ik me nog wel herinner is dat bij 1 van de nieuwe aftermarket steekassen die ik had de hoek van het smalle deel naar de verdikking waar de binnenkant van de vulring tegenaan ligt een beetje rond was waardoor de ring niet helemaal in de hoek geschoven kon worden en misschien iets van een tiende mm speling tussen het vlak en de ring overbleef(volgens mij fabrikagefout). Dit zou je nog kunnen checken. Als ik meer tijd had gehad had ik die steekas denk ik terug gestuurd maar aangezien ik toen binnenkort op vakantie zou gaan heb ik de boel maar in elkaar gezet (en is dus vrij snel daarna de auto gestolen).

succes in ieder geval!

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Re: Steekas ring

Berichtdoor Pwokke » 10 sep 2014, 08:53

Goedemorgen,

@ Willem: Bedankt voor de tip van de oliekeerringen, deze heb ik dus ook maar meteen besteld net zoals de platte veerring. En ik heb meteen maar meteen beide steekassen vervangen want ik wil voorkomen wat jou overkomen is. Wil volgende vakantie doorkomen zonder hulp van de ANWB :D
@Wietse: Wat, op zijn zachts gezegd, vervelend dat je auto gestolen is.
Ik heb gisteren beide assen nagemeten en het gedeelte dat in het differentieel gaat is 0,8mm korter. Dit betekend dat de nieuwe shim 0,8mm dunner zou moeten zijn. De oude is 1,1mm en dus kom ik uit op 0,3mm. En die zijn niet leverbaar :(

Weet iemand waar je shim op maat kan laten maken? De boel zo weer in elkaar zetten heeft geen zin natuurlijk. Die 0,3mm maakt best geluid.

gr,
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Re: Steekas ring W123

Berichtdoor Henk Lith » 19 jun 2017, 21:21

Hoi Mannen, ik pak dit onderwerp even weer op, ja, van wege de (mijn) actualiteit.
Ik heb ook twee aftermarker steekassen gekocht bij Paul van Ster onderdelen in Horst.
Paul heeft voor mij nagezocht of die assen op mijn W115 (200) van 1972 zouden passen, en dat was zo volgens hem.
Maar ik loop nu tegen het probleem aan dat ik de nieuwe aftermarket as er wel in kan krijgen, maar niet meer de klip op kan zetten.
De sleuf ruimte is te klein, en dat komt doordat die after markest assen (naar mijn opmeten) ca 0,7 mm. korter zijn.
Ik bedoel dus dat deel dat het differentieel in gaat he!!!
De oude vulring was 3.1 mm. dus ik moet een vulring hebben met dikte 2,4 mm, (ter compensatie van de te korte as) waardoor de sleuf voorin, waar de klip in gedrukt wordt weer de ruimte heeft.
Dit is dan de as links, rechts heb ik de oude as er nog niet uit, maar ik neem aan dat daar hetzelfde probleem zit.
dus ook aan die kant moet ik een vulring zien te krijgen die 0,7 mm. dunner is.

Ik vraag dus gelijk maar of er iemand is met een aantal van die ringen, zodat ik daar wat uit kan zoeken, mogelijk zijn ze ook als setje te bestellen, een vraag daarover loopt op dit moment bij Jaap Havik in Purmerend.

Groet, en ik ben heel nieuwsgierig :drool:

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Re: Steekas ring W123

Berichtdoor Wietse » 20 jun 2017, 09:08

Hoi Henk,
Er is mij altijd verteld dat die vulringen bij het diff. horen. schijnt uitgeklokt te zijn met al die tandwielen enzo. Of dit echt zo is weet ik niet want heb de kennis niet.
Heb 2 x een diff gekocht bij mb only en die vertelde zoiets; de shims zitten in het diff . daarna diff gemonteerd en alles goed. die trekbout die door de naaf gaat met dat busje is inderdaad belangrijk en moet goed vast ziten. Dus het verhaal hierboven snap ik dan ook niet helemaal. Ik heb al diverse steekassen verwisseld ( gebruikte heb ik op voorraad voor mezelf) en ging tot nog toe altijd goed.
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