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vervangen achterveren bij niveauregeling kombi W123

Berichtdoor Unigeert » 15 jan 2017, 22:16

Een goedenavond!

Ik heb achter twee gebroken veren op mijn W123 TDT.
Nu hoop (en wens) ik dat er een manier is om die veren te vervangen zonder de leidingen van de niveauregeling van de schokbrekers te hoeven verwijderen.

Is daar een specifieke handige werkwijze voor of maak ik me ergens druk over terwijl het niet hoeft?

Ik hoor het graag, ik hoop dat in een dag te kunnen doen aangezien ik de wagen dagelijks gebruik.

Over niveauregeling gesproken: Als ik flink veel achterin laadt, de niveauregeling zakt door en er klinkt een fluitend geluid achter vanonder de wagen, is dat een versleten regelunit?

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Re: vervangen achterveren bij niveauregeling kombi W123

Berichtdoor Wiebren240D » 16 jan 2017, 12:09

Hallo Geert

gaat echt niet lukkende leidingen moeten echt los.
goed in de kruipolie spuiten en dan maar hopen dat ze los gaan.
is niet een fijn klusje.

gewoon aan beginnen doe wel rustig aan is mijn advies.
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Re: vervangen achterveren bij niveauregeling kombi W123

Berichtdoor JantjeV8 » 16 jan 2017, 18:35

Zorg dat je koper leiding en warteltjes hebt liggen. Zeer waarschijnlijk gaan de leidingen of de wartels kapot, dan kun je net zo goed een paar nieuwe koperen leidingen buigen, randje er aan felsen en je bent weer klaar. Zo veel werk is dat ook niet, de bereikbaarheid is wat lastig, maar het is wel gewoon mogelijk.
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Re: vervangen achterveren bij niveauregeling kombi W123

Berichtdoor Unigeert » 16 jan 2017, 20:17

Dank Wiebren en Jantje!

Het is vrij veel werk dus helaas.

Wat voor leiding/wartels zijn dat, zelfde als van de remmen?
En is voor het felsen eenzelfde soort apparaatje nodig als voor de remleidingen?

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Re: vervangen achterveren bij niveauregeling kombi W123

Berichtdoor Wiebren240D » 17 jan 2017, 12:02

Hallo Geert

de nippels zijn groter dan van de remleidingen.
ja hoe dik zijn de leidingen ik denk ongeveer 10 mm.

ik heb eventueel de leidingen nog wel op de sleutelclub liggen.
moet ik wel om zoeken weet niet precies in welk kistje ze liggen.

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Re: vervangen achterveren bij niveauregeling kombi W123

Berichtdoor JantjeV8 » 17 jan 2017, 14:04

Nee toch Wiebren, die hydrauliekleidingen zijn ook maar 4,8 of 5,2mm of zoiets. Ik heb er al vaker vervangen, en gewoon met koperleiding die ik ook voor de remmen gebruik.
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Re: vervangen achterveren bij niveauregeling kombi W123

Berichtdoor JantjeV8 » 17 jan 2017, 14:12

vanaf de pomp voor op de moter gaan 2 leidingen onder de auto door naar achteren.
Net achter de opgaande plaat van de carrosserie, en de achteras zit een verdeelblok. Vandaar gaat een leiding naar links en rechts. Het verdeelblok zit een heveltje aan die de stand van de achteras doorgeeft, dus kraantje open/kraantje dicht.

Voorzichtig met dat verdeelblokje, het is van aluminium en een wartel draai je zo een beetje scheef en is de schroefdraad heen.
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Re: vervangen achterveren bij niveauregeling kombi W123

Berichtdoor Wiebren240D » 17 jan 2017, 15:45

Hoi Jan

ja de leidingen onder de auto door dat zijn dunne remleidingen.
maar de leidingen die van de schokbrekers af komen zijn echt dikker die lopen naar de veer bollen zit ook een stuk slang tussen daar kom je niet echt mooi bij door dat luikje in de vloer even warm stoken wil wel helpen maar wel om de slang denken.
en idd dat verdeel blokje moet je voorzichtig mee zijn heb nog wel ergens eentje liggen.

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Re: vervangen achterveren bij niveauregeling kombi W123

Berichtdoor Unigeert » 17 jan 2017, 17:27

Ik ga het allemaal meemaken.....

Eerst maar eens rubbers bestellen. Wel handig om de rubbers te vervangen als de veren eronderuit liggen dus.
Ik bedacht me dat ik nog wartels moet hebben op de schokbrekers van een geslachte Kombi.
@Wiebren: bedankt voor het aanbod, ik woon alleen wat ver (Zweden).
Ik meet de diameter na en zorg dat ik buis heb liggen. Toch maar eens een brug op mijn verlanglijstje zetten.

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Re: vervangen achterveren bij niveauregeling kombi W123

Berichtdoor Unigeert » 26 jan 2017, 15:20

Toch nog even iets checken:
Na wat puzzelen met de onderdelen van een kombi die ik eerder sloopte, kom ik erop uit dat aan de achterschokbreker een verlengstukje zit, dan een wartel met een stukje stalen leiding met daaraan weer een aangeperste slang. Klopt dat?

Dan hoe ik namelijk geen remleiding te hebben liggen, misschien wel een reserve slang zoals hierboven omschreven.

Of is het handiger de schokbreker met die flexibele slang in elkaar te laten en de andere kant waarmee de flexibele slang vastzit los te halen?

Het gaat dus echt niet om de onderzijde van de schokbreker los te maken en vervolgens het hele subframe voldoende te laten zakken om de veer te vervangen (ik heb geen brug om eerst rustig te kunnen kijken.....)

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Re: vervangen achterveren bij niveauregeling kombi W123

Berichtdoor WJ15129 » 26 jan 2017, 17:28

De schokdemper zal aan de onderkant uit de draagarm getrokken moeten worden, daarvoor zal hij ook aan de bovenkant vrij moeten zijn van obstakels anders past hij niet door het gat. Als de demper er niet uit is krijg je de veer er niet overheen, en dat is de uiteindelijke bedoeling. En inderdaad, als je de demper aan de bovenkant loskoppelt van de niveauregeling kan hij eruit. En dan natuurlijk pas als je de bovenste bout en de twee onderste eruit hebt.
Op de onderstaande beschrijving van Toontje zie je op foto 4 en 5 vanaf onderen de bevestigingsbouten van de demper.



Als je de onderste bevestiging van de demper wilt laten zitten zul je het hele subframe juist wel moeten laten zakken, als je de demper verwijdert kun je de nieuwe veer er zo tussen schuiven, eventueel met behulp van een spanner.
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Re: vervangen achterveren bij niveauregeling kombi W123

Berichtdoor Wiebren240D » 27 jan 2017, 11:47

Hoi

net wat Willem zegt als je de schokbreeker eruit wilt halen dan moet de leiding los van de schokbreeker.
maar als je het subframe in zijn geheel wilt laten zaken dan kun je de schokbreeker ook laten zitten en er naar boven uit halen even schuin houden en dan gaat ie door het gat dan kan de aangeperste slang aan de schokbreeker blijven zitten.

wel goed de leiding na kijken op roest en narigheid.

ik wens je suc6 met herstel.
met de groeten van Wiebren ut Snits
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Re: vervangen achterveren bij niveauregeling kombi W123

Berichtdoor Unigeert » 05 feb 2017, 11:28

Voor het eerst in 15 jaar buiten of op straat sleutelen heb ik kunnen werken in mijn verwarmde, verlicht werkplaats. Een genot! De gasfles onder de trekhaak is een extra veiligheid
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W123 in werkplaats
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De leidingen van de schokbrekers wilden gelukkig goed lossen, net zoals al het andere wat los moet.
Ik heb beide veren eronderuit, maar wat een gepiel is dat! Ik kreeg de spanners er maar heel moeilijk op, wellicht moet ik een stuk van de draadstang afslijpen.

Heeft er iemand tips hoe de veren het beste voor te spannen zodat ze goed te plaatsen zijn (bijvoorbeeld voorspannen, ijzerdraad eromheen, plaatsen, draagarm opdrukken en draad knippen?)?

Ik hoor het graag, groet, Geert
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Re: vervangen achterveren bij niveauregeling kombi W123

Berichtdoor Unigeert » 05 feb 2017, 16:51

De eerste veer zit op zijn plek. Ik heb zes cm van de draastangen afgeslepen zodat ze niet in de carrosserie staken.
Na plaatsing van de veer heb ik de extra op spanning gezet door met de garagekrik, een stuk koker en een, in de veer liggend, stuk staal de veer onder druk te zetten. Nog een gedoe om de spanners eruit te krijgen, maar gelukt.

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Re: vervangen achterveren bij niveauregeling kombi W123

Berichtdoor Toontje » 06 feb 2017, 07:13

goed gedaan met hangen en wurgen kom je er ook wel :tongue
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Re: vervangen achterveren bij niveauregeling kombi W123

Berichtdoor Unigeert » 06 feb 2017, 21:44

Alles werkt weer zoals het hoort, geen bonken meer bij het schakelen!
bedankt iedereen voor je hulp, groet, Geert
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