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Vrijstelling belasting voor oldtimers wordt afgeschaft

Dit is de plek waar over van alles en nog wat gepraat kan worden.

Re: Vrijstelling belasting voor oldtimers wordt afgeschaft

Berichtdoor Blommetje » 16 apr 2013, 12:23

Toch is mijn behoefte om nu een oud dieseltje te kopen wel de kop ingedrukt. Het hangt al jaren in de lucht natuurlijk maar goed.. deprimerend dit.

Ik ben al tijden groot voorstander van KM-heffing. Waarom voeren ze dat niet in. Ik wil een wat grotere auto voor mn sport (triathlon = veel zooi + fietsen) maar rijd gemiddeld 2x per maand een ritje +zomervakantie. Mijn collega wil per se in het vrolijke brabant wonen maar wel werken in Den Haag. Hij rijdt per maand ongeveer 4000KM (!) voor woon-werk-verkeer. Dit doet hij in z'n zakelijke Prius en betaalt daar geen fluit voor. Laat de vervuiler betalen en reken af per KM. Alle oldtimertjes ontzien, malloten die onnodig rijden meteen gepakt. Dit geldt niet voor vrachtverkeer overigens! Dat zou onredelijk zijn.

Offtopic:
En voer meteen in dat boetes worden aangeslagen naar hoogte van inkomen. Het moet een pijnprikkel zijn om iets niet te doen maar met een riant inkomen is door rood rijden bijna lonend.
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Re: Vrijstelling belasting voor oldtimers wordt afgeschaft

Berichtdoor Ids » 16 apr 2013, 12:29

KM heffing is helemaal een draak van een oplossing, dan word je nog een keer extra gepakt. KM heffing bestaat al in Nederland, die betaal je nl. aan de pomp met onze torenhoge accijnzen, heffingen en belastingen.
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Re: Vrijstelling belasting voor oldtimers wordt afgeschaft

Berichtdoor Mach2005 » 16 apr 2013, 12:43

Overal vind je wel een paar Vara kijkende, Volkskrant lezende, GroenLinks stemmende azijnpissers toch?

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Re: Vrijstelling belasting voor oldtimers wordt afgeschaft

Berichtdoor Rein in Trondheim » 16 apr 2013, 13:39

ik mag zelf ook graag vara kijken en volkskrant lezen :). Azijnpissen blijkt toc van alle gezindten tegenwoordig ,verder lijkt generaliseren me ook niet nuttig. Ik vindt et ook jammer dat er zo is ingezet op een verscil tussen diesel en benzinerijders, miscien toc vanuit et idee dat liefebbers geen Diesel zouden rijden als et geen andere voordelen biedt...
jammer vind ik dat.
Ik zelf wou eigenlijk in eerste instantie een dieselmotor en de auto eromeen is vooral iets dat de obbie rectvaardigt (en mijn autosmaak is op de kleuterscool blijven steken, dus alles wat na 1982 op de markt kwam vind ik gewoon niet zo mooi). Jammer dit, maar et uitspelen van iedereen op politieke gezindte , brandstofsoort en kleur auto moeten we ier liever niet aan beginnen, et elpt niemand en luct maar eventjes op...en miscien sciet mij terwijl ik met een potje azijn en de volkskrant vara aan et kijken ben, wel te binen oe ik et probleem van een SGP stemmende donald duck lezer met een rode benzineauto kan oplossen en werkt dit forum dan toc een stuk beter als we dat soort dingen er gewoon buiten ouden.
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Re: Vrijstelling belasting voor oldtimers wordt afgeschaft

Berichtdoor Heino280CE » 16 apr 2013, 13:50

Blommetje

Inkomens afhankelijk boete bestaat al.
Middels progressief belasting stelsel...... steelstel.

Trouwens ik heb ook de volkskrant, terzijde.
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Re: Vrijstelling belasting voor oldtimers wordt afgeschaft

Berichtdoor Quinten » 16 apr 2013, 13:52

@Rein,

Je toetsenbord is stuk,.... in mijn analyse is er wat mis met de H ;)
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Re: Vrijstelling belasting voor oldtimers wordt afgeschaft

Berichtdoor Rein in Trondheim » 16 apr 2013, 14:06

ja sorr, en dat ding naast de t ook,maar ik moest dit toc even kwijt. deze, øåæ ,zou ik er wel voor willen ruilen, die gebruik ik bijna nooit meer.
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Re: Vrijstelling belasting voor oldtimers wordt afgeschaft

Berichtdoor Mach2005 » 16 apr 2013, 17:13

De verzekeringsbedrijven gaan dit betalen. Iedereen sluit als de sodemieter een all risk verzekering af en rijdt hem plat.

Als deze kolder doorgaat, weet ik zeker dat mijn verzekeringsmaatschappij aan de beurt is!

Onze Benzen zakken dan in 1 klap naar de oud ijzerprijs.

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Re: Vrijstelling belasting voor oldtimers wordt afgeschaft

Berichtdoor MJW123 » 16 apr 2013, 18:32

Dat het ons geld gaat kosten weet ik ook zeker, maar het zijn voorstellen en niets is definitief.
De ervaring leert dat de politiek hooog inzet en als dan later alles enigzins meevalt geven ze ons toch het gevoel dat we hebben gewonnen.

We kunnen ze ook elk weekeinde op een ambulance zetten en in Duitsland of Belgie gaan rijden. Volgens mij kunnen ze je dan niets maken.

Wat ik wel las op de site van de Fehac is dat er een evenementenregeling bestaat. Je kunt dat evenement 2 maanden van te voren aanmelden en de kentekens van de deelnemers moeten 1 maand van te voren bij onze vrienden bekent zijn. Je mag dan rijden zonder mrb en/of apk. Dit mag per kenteken 4x en max.6 dagen per jaar.
Of deze regeling ook blijft bestaan bij de evt. nieuwe regelingen weet ik natuurlijk niet.
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Re: Vrijstelling belasting voor oldtimers wordt afgeschaft

Berichtdoor Ids » 16 apr 2013, 18:57

Er is idd niks definitief, maar Weekers zal hoe dan ook 150 miljoen ophalen, derhalve wordt de uitkomst dat het NIET mee gaat vallen. Die 150 miljoen wordt binnen geharkt, is het niet uit de lengte dan komt het wel uit de breedte. Dus wat voor regeling er ook mag komen de oldtimerbezitters gaan 150 miljoen ophoesten.
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Re: Vrijstelling belasting voor oldtimers wordt afgeschaft

Berichtdoor Mach2005 » 16 apr 2013, 19:02

Met ander woorden: Het wordt in ieder geval niet beter als de voorstellen die al gedaan zijn, want Weekers MOET zich aan zijn budget houden.

Laten we eerlijk zijn. Het is over en uit. De auto voor export verkopen of platrijden en het verzekeringsgeld pakken zijn de enige 2 oplossingen...

Daarbij komt nog dat de meeste Oldtimer bedrijven failliet zullen gaan, dus onderdelen worden schaarser en zullen uit het buitenland gehaald moeten worden.

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Re: Vrijstelling belasting voor oldtimers wordt afgeschaft

Berichtdoor Henk Lith » 16 apr 2013, 19:42

Van oldtimer naar melk koets.

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Re: Vrijstelling belasting voor oldtimers wordt afgeschaft

Berichtdoor Raytheman » 16 apr 2013, 21:47

en per wanneer gaat dit allemaal in? De mijne moet 25 mei apk gekeurd zijn...
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Re: Vrijstelling belasting voor oldtimers wordt afgeschaft

Berichtdoor MajikSimon » 16 apr 2013, 22:44

Mensen, iedereen zal het erover eens zijn dat er in Nederland problemen zijn rondom de autobelastingen in zijn algemeen...Een groot probleem is het belasten van autobezit, en niet autogebruik.
Dat maakt veel mensen met meerdere auto's hier moedeloos, want men kan echt maar in 1 auto tegelijkertijd rijden.
En zo zuinig zijn de oude wagens in het algemeen nu echt niet. Daarom hebben veel mensen (maar niet allemaal) heen andere auto voor woon-werk verkeer. Als ik slechts 1 Benz zou hebben en ik zou deze simpelweg kunnen behouden door een suzuki alto erbij te rijden voor elke dag dan zou ik enorm dankbaar zijn, maar helaas werkt het niet zo, want het gaat helaas puur om bezit... In plaats daarvan rijd ikzelf al jaren voornamelijk in LPG G3 wagens, nu een redelijk recente MB, omdat dat goedkoop rijdt inderdaad maar daar gaat het nu niet om.

Vrijwel iedereen ziet in dat er iets zal moeten veranderen, want het gaat nu wel met een enorm grote botte bijl,
ook de leeftijden van 30 en 40 jaar die gehanteerd worden zijn niet mals. Wat niemand wil is min of meer gedwongen zijn of haar auto(s) feitelijk weg moeten doen. Laat de discussie over de 'echte liefhebber die toch zeker wel wat overheeft voor zijn hobby etc' nu even verstommen aub. Want onze auto's zijn bijzonder zwaar en er zijn veel mensen met meerdere auto's. De motorrijtuigenbelasting is (al sinds 1966! hoe actueel is dat nu nog?) voor een heel groot deel gebaseerd op gewicht.Iedereen lijkt het logisch te vinden dat wegenbelasting zich concentreert op gewicht (uiteraard ook door de naam)maar dat is inmiddels echt niet meer zo vanzelfsprekend om alleen naar gewicht en brandstof te kijken. Het gaat juist ook om gebruik, dit geeft de overheid zelf aan.

Iedereen prikt nu door het verhaaltje van het milieu heen, want het gaat zo blijkt nu toch echt om de pegels, en dat wordt nu steeds duidelijker. Weekers moet zijn geld binnenhalen, hoe dan ook.

Naast alle negatieve commotie rond het onderwerp zijn een aantal vrij positieve dingen eind 2012 wat onderbelicht gebleven: moties van Bashir en van Vliet.

http://www.oudevolvo.nl/blog/2012/11/20 ... -positief/
( pas op het is een pagina uit 2012 met deels achterhaald nieuws!)

Wellicht is het een idee om naast de moeite nemen van het spuien van al het ongenoegen hier (waarvoor mijn volledige begrip),OOK nu eens de moeite te nemen juist deze 2e kamer leden te contacteren.
Omdat deze juist al aangegeven hebben WEL inzicht te hebben in de materie.

http://www.tweedekamer.nl/kamerleden/al ... r_farshad/

http://www.tweedekamer.nl/kamerleden/al ... lf_aleida/

Want de hele kwestie is nu aan de 2e kamer..
Natuurlijk kan het allemaal vergeefs zijn, maar geloof me, niks doen behalve hier uiting geven aan alle begrijpelijke gevoelens is niet vanzelfsprekend beter. Leg uit dat de schade enorm zal zijn, niet alleen jouw prive leed en verdriet maar ook verlies van banen, BTW, accijnzen etc. Mensen in de ww en bedrijven failliet...
De taart is wat groter dan alleen de punt van weekers, en hopenlijk ziet de 2e kamer dat WEL in.

Er zitten daar uiteraard veel meer zinnige mensen, ongetwijfeld ook zelf auto liefhebbers en als je andere mensen wil aanschijven, natuurlijk doe dat maar neem aub nu wel de moeite want het moge duidelijk zijn dat het nu wel echt bijzonder menens is, als clubs als KNAC en ANWB en FEHAC leeftijden van 30 en zelfs 40 jaar aandragen, hiermee instemmen, en DAT zelfs onvoldoende is in de ogen van Weekers.
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Re: Vrijstelling belasting voor oldtimers wordt afgeschaft

Berichtdoor Sterretje1968 » 17 apr 2013, 01:37

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Re: Vrijstelling belasting voor oldtimers wordt afgeschaft

Berichtdoor Toontje » 17 apr 2013, 06:07

yep ben ook opruiming aan het houden
nummer 1 is al afgevoerd nummer 2 word vandaag ontmanteld en nummer 3 zal waarschijnlijk ook deze week nog gaan

en rekenen kunnen ze niet het gaat geen geld opleveren maar kosten
zijn weer zoveel duizend lieden erbij die zonder werk komen
vertrouwen in de regering heeft toch niemand meer het is elke dag weer anders ook al word er gezecht het blijft zoals het is dan word er volgend jaar wel weer iemand sjaggie waker omdat die niet mocht bij zijn vrouw en denkt die zullen we weer eens gaan zieken
nee met een groot hart zorgen dat andere landen het geld krijgen wat ze hier van de gewone jan met de pet weg roven en dan zeggen het is de schuld van de burgers die kopen te weinig whaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa wat een eikels
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Re: Vrijstelling belasting voor oldtimers wordt afgeschaft

Berichtdoor Mach2005 » 17 apr 2013, 07:32

Mijn 2 bolides gaan volgende week de verkoop in. Brengen ze niet genoeg op, dan gaan ze tegen de muur voor het verzekeringsgeld. ik heb al een goedkoop LPG bakkie op het oog.

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Re: Vrijstelling belasting voor oldtimers wordt afgeschaft

Berichtdoor MB 250 » 17 apr 2013, 07:36

alom paniek in oldtimer land

dus toekomstige oldtimer kopers nu gaan toeslaan,het gaat bij de bezitters warm worden
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Re: Vrijstelling belasting voor oldtimers wordt afgeschaft

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Re: Vrijstelling belasting voor oldtimers wordt afgeschaft

Berichtdoor Mach2005 » 17 apr 2013, 07:57

Koopjesjagers opgelet! Oldtimer voor weinig!

Als de tweede kamer alle gevolgschade zou laten doorrekenen, dan is het plan snel van de baan.

Maar... zover zal het wel niet gaan. Europese regels zijn tegenwoordig heilig!

Weekers wil niets weten van gevolgschade, want dat valt NIET binnen zijn budget. :whistle:

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