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W123 280TE M110.984 start opeens niet meer - wie weet raad?

Berichtdoor GerardM » 04 jan 2024, 20:06

Ik dacht het nieuwe jaar goed te beginnen met een verse APK na het vervangen van de stuurstangen en demper in het oude jaar, dus ik haalde mijn wagen op 2 januari uit de droge garage en reed even een paar rondjes om de motor warm te laten worden, nog een kop koffie thuis en bij vertrek naar de garage startte de wagen helemaal niet meer.
Lang verhaal kort, wagen staat bij mijn vaste garage en we hebben al het volgende geprobeerd, alles zonder resultaat:

- tank is vol met 98 super
- brandstofpomp slaat aan bij contact
- opbrengst is goed, 1 liter in 30 sec bij retour spinnenkop
- bougies goed, luchtfilter goed
- accu vol, startmotor draait goed rond
- er komt ook benzine naar de injectoren als we een leiding losnemen
- wagen start ook niet met startpilot/remmenreiniger
- injectoren plus hulzen heb ik afgelopen zomer vervangen
- bougies vonken en puls is er

Opvallend is dat geen enkele cylinder onsteekt en dat het zomaar opeens gebeurde.

Onze idee├źn zijn op, ik heb hier ook wel soortgelijke problemen gelezen, maar zelden een oplossing.

Iemand nog tips wat dit kan zijn of wat we nog kunnen controleren?

Of een tip voor een bedrijf dat hier ervaring mee heeft, wagen staat in Maastricht.
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Re: W123 280TE M110.984 start opeens niet meer - wie weet ra

Berichtdoor MBreed » 04 jan 2024, 20:23

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Re: W123 280TE M110.984 start opeens niet meer - wie weet ra

Berichtdoor GerardM » 04 jan 2024, 20:38

Dankjewel voor je reactie, ik herinner me nu dat ik een paar jaar geleden ook iets soortgelijks heb gehad, toen liep die nog wel op een paar cylinders en uiteindelijk helemaal niet meer en dat bleek de verdeelkap te zijn. Er zit nu een Beru op; we hebben wel de contacten schoongemaakt maar dat heeft nog niets opgeleverd.
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Re: W123 280TE M110.984 start opeens niet meer - wie weet ra

Berichtdoor MBreed » 04 jan 2024, 20:45

Bobine en ontstekingsmodule controleren zou ik dan mee beginnen. Er is een meetschema van, wat ik zo niet paraat heb, maar eventueel wel even voor je kan opzoeken, mocht het nodig zijn.
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Re: W123 280TE M110.984 start opeens niet meer - wie weet ra

Berichtdoor GerardM » 04 jan 2024, 23:04

Dank, bedoel je deze?
Bijlagen
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Re: W123 280TE M110.984 start opeens niet meer - wie weet ra

Berichtdoor MBreed » 05 jan 2024, 11:01

Ja, 15-562. Ik weet niet of je apparatuur hebt om de contacthoek te meten, maar de rest kan je sowieso meten.
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Re: W123 280TE M110.984 start opeens niet meer - wie weet ra

Berichtdoor GerardM » 05 jan 2024, 23:23

Mooi, dat gaan we maandag doen.

Groet,

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Re: W123 280TE M110.984 start opeens niet meer - wie weet ra

Berichtdoor JantjeV8 » 09 jan 2024, 17:38

Ontsteking is een gevoelig dingetje, zeker die startpilot is een aanwijzing, maar:
Ik lees nog niets over vacuum, als hij z'n onderdruk ergens verliest, valt er ook niets te ontsteken.
Worden de bougies nat tijdens die startpogingen?
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Re: W123 280TE M110.984 start opeens niet meer - wie weet ra

Berichtdoor John.M » 09 jan 2024, 21:39

Ja idd Gerard, das een zoekplaatje.
Accumulator bij de benzinepomp in orde? Als deze stuk is valt bij warme motor de druk weg.
Hoe is de staat van de voorschakel weerstanden?
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Re: W123 280TE M110.984 start opeens niet meer - wie weet ra

Berichtdoor Pieter1967 » 10 jan 2024, 14:01

Is in principe in de basis geen echt zoekplaatje. Zoals gezegd, het niet willen starten op startvloeistof (remmenreiniger o.i.d.) geeft je al een richting. Naar mijn mening moet je het in eerste instantie zoeken in de ontsteking omdat je het brandstofgedeelte wegneemt door de startvloeistof.

Defecte bedrading, kapotte voorschakelweerstanden, opgeblazen bobine, vervuilde contactpunten indien nog aanwezig (ligt niet voor de hand omdat de motor ineens niet meer wilde starten).

Snelle controle: vonken de bougies wanneer deze verwijderd zijn en tegen de motor aangehouden worden (of via een (start)kabel aan de massa gelegd worden tijdens het starten?
Bijkomend voordeel: mocht de motor verzopen zijn als gevolg van vele startpogingen dan wordt deze nu, tijdens het starten / controleren deels schoon geblazen......

Succes met de zoektocht.

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Re: W123 280TE M110.984 start opeens niet meer - wie weet ra

Berichtdoor GerardM » 12 jan 2024, 20:57

Dank allen voor het meedenken en de tips; hij loopt weer!

Zat vocht en dus sluiting in de stekker op de ontstekingsmodule, vonkte wel maar kennelijk niet op tijd.

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Re: W123 280TE M110.984 start opeens niet meer - wie weet ra

Berichtdoor M.Elalili » 15 jan 2024, 19:19

Wat fijn dat je dit terugkoppelt Gerard, hier leren we van :)
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Re: W123 280TE M110.984 start opeens niet meer - wie weet ra

Berichtdoor drieske » 20 jan 2024, 12:31

Aha, en wat is er aan gedaan ? Nieuwe stekker of de oude schoongemaakt en behandeld tegen vocht, en zo ja waarmee ?
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Re: W123 280TE M110.984 start opeens niet meer - wie weet ra

Berichtdoor GerardM » 21 jan 2024, 16:53

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