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W123/M110 relais benzinepomp defect ?

Berichtdoor Jan123T » 28 jul 2014, 19:07

Hallo liefhebbers ,

Gister weigerde de Benz (280TE) dienst, de motor sloeg niet aan en dat is me in 5 jr nog nooit overkomen.
ANWB gebeld en al snel werd vastgesteld dat de brandstofpomp geen stroom krijgt. Bij het aansluiten van een losse 12volt sloeg de motor direct aan.

Volgens de monteur hoogstwaarschijnlijk het relais dat defect is. Hij kon niet vaststellen welke van de 3 relais het betreft.

Heeft iemand een dergelijk probleem wel eens gehad?
Zou het ook een zekering kunnen zijn van de pomp, (deze konden we niet vinden in het zekeringenkastje maar misschien ergens nog een ' zwevende' zekering?)

Heeft iemand wellicht zo'n relais liggen, heb nagevraagd bij Wensink Nijmegen en een nieuwe kost 240Euro.
Beetje duur en ik weet niet 100% zeker of het relais inderdaad de boosdoener is.

Nou ja, alle tips zijn welkom !
Alvast zeer bedankt..

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Re: W123/M110 relais benzinepomp defect ?

Berichtdoor 280 '76 » 28 jul 2014, 22:02

Hallo Jan, ik woon in Nijmegen en heb een 280E. Helaas heb ik geen relais voor je maar we kunnen wel mijn relais proberen op jouw auto. Dan weet je daarna in ieder geval of je relais kapot is.
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W123/M110 relais benzinepomp defect ?

Berichtdoor Puckvd » 28 jul 2014, 22:46

Had er laatst eentje gezien op eBay voor ongeveer 40 piek. Met als nummer 0015 45 68 05. Succes in elk geval!
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Re: W123/M110 relais benzinepomp defect ?

Berichtdoor Jan123T » 29 jul 2014, 12:20

Bedankt John en Puck voor jullie reactie!

John, ik stuur je een PM met mijn mob.nr. en adres Inderdaad een goed idee om het relais even uit te wisselen !
Alvast mijn dank doorvoor..

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Re: W123/M110 relais benzinepomp defect ?

Berichtdoor ElGriffo » 29 jul 2014, 12:50

Kun je wanneer je pootje 30 en 87 overbrugt (staat onder het relais bij de pootjes en alleen tijdens starten en lopende motor !!!!! anders krijg wellicht benzine slag) en de auto loopt dan goed je relais defect .

Nummer moet overigens A001 545 68 05 ( tot bepaald chassisnmmr A001 545 07 05)

Bekijk het relais van binnen eens goed met een loep, ik heb ze wel eens gerepareed door een
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Re: W123/M110 relais benzinepomp defect ?

Berichtdoor Jan123T » 29 jul 2014, 19:50

Hallo !

Ik heb de Benz alweer aan de praat , na het schoonmaken van alle pinnetjes van het juiste relais startte de Benz weer direct.
De ANWB had dit ook al gedaan maar had de verkeerde relais te pakken, namelijk de 3 zilvergrijze.. zie foto !
Het juiste relais met notabene het typenummer helder in beeld is ook goed te zien op de foto...

jullie nogmaals allen bedankt voor jullie reactie!

Groet, van een blije Jan!
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Re: W123/M110 relais benzinepomp defect ?

Berichtdoor Robin-H » 29 jul 2014, 20:57

Kijk eens aan! Da's goed nieuws. Minder goed nieuws is dat de scharnierbak van je motorkap vol met vuil zit. Die zou ik even schoonmaken als ik jou was, hier zitten afwateringskanalen in die zorgen dat er geen water tussen voorscherm en motorruimte komt te staan.
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Re: W123/M110 relais benzinepomp defect ?

Berichtdoor Zozo » 30 jul 2014, 09:41

Nog een tipje!? ;) Het relais voetje zit tegen het plaatwerk geschroefd met één M6 boutje/moertje. Het relais zit daar los opgeduwd. Nu zul je kunnen voelen wanneer je aan het relais rammelt dat het relais afzonderlijk van het voetje ietwat beweging heeft. Door het trillen en vibreren van de motor en auto, rammelt heet relais dus constant een beetje in zijn voetje. Hierdoor worden na +/- 30 jaar de contacten ietsje opgerekt en of uitgesleten. Zo kan het contact af en toe kan verbreken en of idd door opgerekte contacten en meer vocht ertussen zal corrosie aanslag teveel weerstand kunnen geven waardoor relais niet meer altijd goed schakelt.

Haal dat voetje eens van het plaatwerk af, maak de contacten goed schoon en neem een rolletje tape. Duw het relais er goed in en wikkel een paar lagen tape goed strak om relais en voetje zodat deze 2 niet meer afzonderlijk van elkaar kunnen bewegen. Schroef het relais met voetje weer opnieuw vast op zijn plaats tegen plaatwerk.

Dit was voor mij de oplossing na een jaar zoeken en vloeken, waarom mijn coupe soms spontaan tijdens het rijden ermee ophield. En vaak met vochtig weer slecht deed starten en dan wanneer hij wel deed starten 1 km verder weer stil stond en daarna weer te starten on 5 km verder weer stil te staan. Dan deed het weer weken goed en dan was het weer weken elke rit raak. :). Na dat trukie met de tape geen problemen meer gehad..
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Re: W123/M110 relais benzinepomp defect ?

Berichtdoor Puckvd » 30 jul 2014, 10:34

Zozo, jij bent door de wol geverfd hè...!
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Re: W123/M110 relais benzinepomp defect ?

Berichtdoor 280 '76 » 30 jul 2014, 14:30

Mooi. Altijd fijn als een probleem eenvoudig opgelost kon worden. Dan kan ik mijn relais laten zitten Jan ;)
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Re: W123/M110 relais benzinepomp defect ?

Berichtdoor Jan123T » 31 jul 2014, 14:20

Goed opgemerkt van die scharnierbak ! Het doorprikken van het gaatje had ik net gedaan voor ik de foto maakte.. :)
Viezigheid moet er er nog uit vissen, en dat met grote regelmaat want er staan een paar hele grote dikke eikenbomen in de straat waar continu wel 'iets' uitdwarrelt..
Het fixeren van de relaisvoet lijkt me een goed plan.. zag inderdaad dat sommige gaatjes wat uitgelubberd en geoxideerd waren.. (daar zat ook het probleem en niet in de pinnetjes.)

Enfin, ik kan weer heerlijk cruisen met de Benz.. jammer dat er geen schuifdak inzit met dit weer !

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Re: W123/M110 relais benzinepomp defect ?

Berichtdoor Robin-H » 31 jul 2014, 14:32

Ach bekijk het zo... Ik heb m'n hoofd al een paar keer goed verbrand door dat schuifdak. Dat blijf jij je bespaard
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Re: W123/M110 relais benzinepomp defect ?

Berichtdoor Puckvd » 31 jul 2014, 15:02

Wat een luxeprobleem... :silly:
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Re: W123/M110 relais benzinepomp defect ?

Berichtdoor Hans230CE » 01 aug 2014, 21:37

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Re: W123/M110 relais benzinepomp defect ?

Berichtdoor Pwokke » 25 aug 2014, 21:36

Afgelopen weekend bij het zomertreffen van de MB W123 club in Brasschaat sprak ik iemand met een kapot brandstofrpompelais. Ik heb deze mee genomen en hem beloofd deze voor hem na te kijken. Wat bleek, een aantal soldeerpunten zijn slecht. Net zoals vroeger in de oude Philips televisies. Verder ziet alles er als nieuw uit, dus even de slechte puntjes opnieuw solderen met mijn oude vertrouwde soldeerstation en dan zal hij het ongetwijfeld weer prima doen.

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Re: W123/M110 relais benzinepomp defect ?

Berichtdoor Jan123T » 28 jul 2017, 13:27

Hi MedeBenzers,

Nou heb ik na jaren probleemloos rijden dus toch weer gedoe met het relais ( of het stekkerblok waar deze invalt..) Hoe dan ook de benzinepomp draait niet meer bij contact en ik vrees dus dat nu het relais defect is..
Weet iemand welke pinnetjes ik door kan verbinden om de pomp van stroom te voorzien zodat ik iig naar huis kan rijden ?

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Re: W123/M110 relais benzinepomp defect ?

Berichtdoor Coupe280 » 28 jul 2017, 19:05

In een van de antwoorden kun je de oplossing van el griffo lezen
Lees maar even terug contact 30 en 87
Voor nood doorverbinden
Maar intussen zal je zelf het antwoord ook wel gevonden hebben
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Re: W123/M110 relais benzinepomp defect ?

Berichtdoor Jan123T » 21 aug 2017, 21:43

Dank coupe280, dat is inderdaad de noodoplossing..
Maar .. inmiddels is mn probleem opgelost..
Ik las ergens dat een relaisprobleem zich vaak voordoet als 'soms wel' en 'soms niet' werken..
, exact dus het probleem dat ik had.. ging weken goed en dan opeens niet meer te starten..
Heb dus bij AUTODOC in Berlijn een 'aftermarket' relais besteld voor 121 Euri (een heel stuk goedkoper dan t origineel.)
Probleem lijkt definitief opgelost, Benz start nu altijd direct.
Superblij mee dus !

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