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W116 steekassen

Berichtdoor Simon1991 » 27 maart 2021, 17:31

Goedemiddag,

Ik ben inmiddels met de steekassen bezig van mijn W116 450se, hoezen zijn aan vervanging toe.

Bij demonteren kwam ik er achter dat de kruiskoppelingen ook niet helemaal meer nieuw zijn, dus overweeg om 2 compleet nieuwe assen aan te schaffen. Heeft iemand hier ervaring mee, hoe is kwaliteit? Iemand een tip voor een bepaald merk?

In de steekassen zit olie ipv vet, is dit wel de bedoeling? Lijkt mij dat er vet in moet?

Bij voorbaat dank.

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Re: W116 steekassen

Berichtdoor WJ15129 » 27 maart 2021, 21:24

Bij Mercedes doen ze er olie in, zal wel beter zijn :roll:
Kan ik me wel iets bij voorstellen. Vet gaat verharden als het ouder wordt en blijft (gedeeltelijk) in hoekjes zitten waar het niets meer doet. Olie blijft vloeibaar en blijft door het totale huis spoelen. Alleen bij een lek is olie in het nadeel, dan loopt alles weg.

NB in een differentieel doen ze ook geen vet :):
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Re: W116 steekassen

Berichtdoor JantjeV8 » 29 maart 2021, 17:00

Maar vet wordt warm, daardoor wat smeuiger en dan is de homokineet voldoende gesmeerd, net als een wiellager. En doordat die hoezen maar met een klembandje om de as zitten, is vet net wat beter binnen te houden. Anders moet je met keerringen gaan werken in een behuizing.
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Re: W116 steekassen

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Re: W116 steekassen

Berichtdoor MBreed » 29 maart 2021, 17:28

Zit origineel olie in. Volgens tabellenboek van Mercedes voor een 450SE 310g "Sterngelenköl" aan de binnenzijde en 230g aan de buitenzijde
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Re: W116 steekassen

Berichtdoor JantjeV8 » 30 maart 2021, 07:21

Aha, oke, dat is nieuw voor mij. Een 116 heeft toch ook losse aandrijfassen tussen wiel en diff? De achteras is toch niet in geheel met los inschuifbare steekassen?
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Re: W116 steekassen

Berichtdoor Wietse » 30 maart 2021, 09:37

volgens mij zijn die steekassen veel hetzelfde. W114 115 123 116 107. Ik heb ooit nieuwe hoezen gekocht bij de dealer en er zat vet bij een tupe, dat vet wordt vanzelf erg dun als het gebruikt wordt.
Over nieuwe steekassen heb ik wel eens hier gelezen dat ze niet altijd passen, ik zal gewoon gebruikt zoeken en er nieuwe hoezen over laten trekken met een tool dat de hoes ( aftermarket) open drukt zodat je over de kruiskoppeling kan.

die originele ashoezen heb ik dus ook nooit gebruikt, die zijn te stug en moet je op de Mercedes manier doen.
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Re: W116 steekassen

Berichtdoor RD500sec » 30 maart 2021, 10:59

Een vet bestaat uit een zeep en een olie.
De zeep is de drager van de olie, de olie komt vrij als smeermiddel als het vet warm wordt.
Als je stukjes hard vet tegenkomt, is dat de zeep waar de olie uit is.
De losse olie die je tegenkomt, kan olie zijn die uit het vet is vrijgekomen.
De samenstelling van de Sterngelenkoel ken ik niet, de naam doet vermoeden dat het geen vet is, maar een olie.(anders zou MB het wel Sterngelenkenfett genoemd hebben)
Eigenlijk vreemd, dat je bij een revisieset vet krijgt, terwijl er origineel olie in zit.
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Re: W116 steekassen

Berichtdoor MBreed » 30 maart 2021, 11:15

Het klopt dat ze je er tegenwoordig vet bijgeven, dat kan ook wel, maar er hoort origineel toch echt olie in. Ik weet dat Stolk in balkbrug het gereedschap heeft om de hoezen op de originele manier te vervangen. Het gereedschap kost een slordige 4000€ bij Mercedes. Dan moet je een hoop assen doen.
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Re: W116 steekassen

Berichtdoor RD500sec » 30 maart 2021, 11:19

Dat valt net buiten de hobby :blink:
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Re: W116 steekassen

Berichtdoor WJ15129 » 30 maart 2021, 11:23

Om even op de oorspronkelijke vraag terug te komen: "Bij demonteren kwam ik er achter dat de kruiskoppelingen ook niet helemaal meer nieuw zijn, dus overweeg om 2 compleet nieuwe assen aan te schaffen. Heeft iemand hier ervaring mee, hoe is kwaliteit? Iemand een tip voor een bepaald merk?"

Als de aandrijfassen allemaal gelijk zijn dan zou de volgende passen:



Hier heb ik een jaar of zeven geleden twee van onder mijn 250 gezet.
Ze passen perfect, echt een kwestie van de oude eruit, de vulring overzetten van de oude naar de nieuwe in er nieuwe weer in.
Dit in tegenstelling van andere verhalen die ik hier wel eens gelezen heb over andere merken.
Wat de levensduur uiteindelijk zal zijn weet ik niet, maar een bij gebruikte originele is dit ook maar afwachten.
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Re: W116 steekassen

Berichtdoor JantjeV8 » 30 maart 2021, 16:40

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Re: W116 steekassen

Berichtdoor MBreed » 30 maart 2021, 16:58

Om het felsen netjes en gelijkmatig te doen, heb je het originele gereedschap nodig, dan kan je ook alles vastzetten op de goede plek. Als je zelf aan het hobbyen bent, kan ik me er iets bij voorstellen dat je het zo doet, maar professioneel is net K, om het met de hand te doen. Het wordt gewoon niet zo mooi als met het originele felsgereedschap.

Die assen van SKF zien er overigens netjes uit.
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Re: W116 steekassen

Berichtdoor Wietse » 03 apr 2021, 21:07

skf is qua lagers een topmerk, dus dan zal dit ook wel zijn. Je moet wel goed op onderdeel nummer kijken bij autodoc enz, want ze hebben het niet altijd goed op de website staan. Als je goed bij specificaties kijkt en je eigen steekas op meet dan kun je het een en ander controleren.

Ik zie dus bij de geschikte modellen alleen benzine uitvoeringen staan van de W114 W123 w107, geen diesels
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Re: W116 steekassen

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Re: W116 steekassen

Berichtdoor John.M » 10 apr 2021, 20:56

Dank Simon, ik wil dit bij mijn W116 komende winter ook gaan doen :handgestures-thumbup:
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