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W123 200D 1977 Engels Rood Logboek

Post hier alle updates van je auto, van bougie (of gloeier) wissel tot aan een project.
Project afgerond, zet dan een link in je logboek!
Gewoon showen mag ook natuurlijk.

Re: W123 200D 1977 Engels Rood Logboek

Berichtdoor WJ15129 » 10 mei 2019, 12:01

Als je het achter deksel van het diff hebt verwijderd kun je dit nog iets dichter naar de bodem van de auto duwen, met een krik of zo. Laat niet het hele gewicht van de auto op het diff hangen als het deksel eraf is, dan zou hij kunnen vervormen.
Zo doe ik dat altijd als de as er helemaal uit moet, dat geeft ongeveer net zoveel extra ruimte als het loshalen van de schokdemper. Als de aandrijfas uit de as is kun je het diff weer lekker diep laten zakken, dan kun je weer lekker makkelijk bij de binnenkant om het clipje er uit te halen en de keerring te verwisselen.
Als je de aandrijfassen er tegelijk uithaalt zorg dan dat je ze niet verwisselt, hou in ieder geval de opvul ring die op de as zit geschoven aan de diff kant aan de kant waar die nu zit. Ze zijn meestal niet van gelijke dikte links en rechts en ze zijn afgestemd op het diff. en niet op de aandrijfas.

En eigenlijk hoor je de de schijf die om de bout zit waarmee de as aan de wielzijde vast zit ook te vernieuwen. Dit is een veerschijf die je bij de montage op de juiste voorspanning zet door de bout met het juiste draaimoment vast te draaien.
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Re: W123 200D 1977 Engels Rood Logboek

Berichtdoor Luke » 13 mei 2019, 19:16

Bedankt voor de tips, duidelijk. De onderdelen zijn besteld en ga waarschijnlijk volgens weekend beginnen. Zal jullie op d e hoogte houden.
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Re: W123 200D 1977 Engels Rood Logboek

Berichtdoor Luke » 25 mei 2019, 16:03

Vandaag de keerringen vervangen van het differentieel. Alles zat redelijk mee, had het goede gereedschap en een handige krik om het diff te ondersteunen en van hoogte te varieren.

De oude keerringen zaten flink vast geroest/gerot. Uiteindelijk met een bandenijzer en veel geduld los gekregen. De boel schoongemaakt en met een vooraf gemaakt schijfje hout de keerringen recht erin geklopt. Tevens de steun voor het differentieel deksel meteen vernieuwd, hoewel de oude minder slecht bleek dan vooraf gedacht.

Net een leuk stukje gereden en de boel lijkt droog te blijven.
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Nieuwe keerring op z'n plek
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oude en nieuwe steun, oude leek nog niet uitgezakt.
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Re: W123 200D 1977 Engels Rood Logboek

Berichtdoor denman1710 » 12 jun 2019, 23:55

Goede reparatie dus!
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Re: W123 200D 1977 Engels Rood Logboek

Berichtdoor Luke » 18 sep 2019, 22:44

Het is hier alweer een tijdje stil, op zich een goed teken. Afgelopen periode weinig aan de Benz gedaan / hoeven doen.

Afgelopen weekend maar eens de olie ververst na een ruim jaar en 'slechts' 5000 km. Vergeleken met andere auto's is een oliebeurtje bij een W123 echt zó gebeurd. Nieuw filter van Mahle en even verse pakking ringetjes.

Meteen het oliebad luchtfilter voorzien van verse olie, al was de oude eigenlijk nog heel schoon.

De olie in de brandstofpomp ook beetgepakt. Toen ik het banjoboutje losdraaide kwam er toch wel een olie/diesel mengsel uit, geen idee hoeveel lekdiesel de pomp mag 'produceren', hij zat nog lang niet aan z'n overloopje maar wel wat 'boven peil'. Even gespoeld en op peil gezet met verse 10W40.

-> Tevens wil ik voor de winter nog wat beginnende oppervlakkige roest aan het subframe achter en hier en daar op de bodem onder de balken van de motor ruimte beschermen. Eerder heb ik dingen in de Brunox + Bodysafe gezet, maar voor wat meer uitstekende delen dacht ik aan loodhoudende ijzermenie omdat dit wat minder vettig/plakkerig opdroogt. Wat denken jullie?
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Re: W123 200D 1977 Engels Rood Logboek

Berichtdoor Wietse » 22 sep 2019, 09:36

Maak niet zoveel uit wat je gebruikt, als je maar goed kaal maakt en dan weer met de opbouw begint.
primer/ menie.
aflak op terpertine basis
of aflak op waterbasis en daarna blanke lak
als laatste strijkkit, tectyl, of steenslag beschermer of een combinatie ervan
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Re: W123 200D 1977 Engels Rood Logboek

Berichtdoor Luke » 02 okt 2019, 09:50

Van de week het subframe/ophanging achter zo veel mogelijk kaal gemaakt en in de ouderwetse loodmenie gezet. Zo blijft de oppervlakkige roest binnen de perken.
Toch wel erg oranje, -> hier gaat nog wel een zwart kleurtje overheen als het goed droog is. Ene kant is dit wellicht zonde van de originaliteit, anderzijds bescherm ik de boel liever goed tegen weersinvloeden.

Alle gedeelten die ik 1.5 jaar geleden heb behandelt zagen er nog top uit, ook het differentieel blijft nu kurkdroog :)
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Re: W123 200D 1977 Engels Rood Logboek

Berichtdoor Toontje » 03 okt 2019, 07:46

valt wel op zo :tongue
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Re: W123 200D 1977 Engels Rood Logboek

Berichtdoor Luke » 19 maart 2020, 13:06

Even wat beginnende roestplekjes aangepakt, wanneer je het opschuurt blijkt het altijd weer groter. Brunox, primer en later deze week weer netjes engels rood spuiten.

Binnenkort maar eens verse koelvloeistof en wat andere kleine verbeteringen.
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Re: W123 200D 1977 Engels Rood Logboek

Berichtdoor Weizengelb » 22 maart 2020, 10:42

Dat ziet er weer netjes uit Luke.

Ik vind dat je leuk met je diesel omgaat, het is ook zo'n lekkere echte W123 diesel met die mooie kleur uit die tijd, prachtig!

Veel succes en plezier!!
Math
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Re: W123 200D 1977 Engels Rood Logboek

Berichtdoor Luke » 25 maart 2020, 10:08

Bedankt voor het compliment Math, vind het ook leuk om eraan te hobbyen en deze uitvoering heeft ook wel weer z'n charme.

Gisteren het behandelde plekje weer in de originele kleur gespoten en het nieuwe stoffen stripje bij de B-stijl gemonteerd.(zie ook m'n andere topic hierover)
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Geregistreerd: 17 okt 2016, 21:49
Woonplaats: Reutlingen, Duitsland
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Type wagen: 200D
Bouwjaar: 1977
Automaat: Nee
LPG: Nee
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Re: W123 200D 1977 Engels Rood Logboek

Berichtdoor Luke » 29 maart 2020, 11:13

Dit weekend lekker bezig geweest, vrijdag het koelsysteem gespoeld met demi water en voorzien van een nieuwe thermostaat en koelvloeistof (G11 met MB goedkeuring). Tijdens de restauratie heb ik niet alle oude kvs eruit gekregen. Omdat ik toch de thermostaat wilde doen (preventief), kon ik met een compressor bijna alle koelvloeistof doorblazen, uiteindelijk kreeg ik er 9 liter uit. Ook wat nieuwe boutjes nodig gehad voor het thermostaat huis.

Gisteren de klepseals vervangen met dank aan reacties op m'n andere post. Klus wat goed te doen, maar kostte wel veel tijd. Gelukkig had ik genoeg licht met die zon in de werkplaats. Moeilijk te zeggen hoe slecht de oude waren, rubber was in elk geval een stuk harder, en er zaten er 2 tussen die wel erg makkelijk los gingen. Qua olieverbruik zal de tijd het moeten leren.
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Re: W123 200D 1977 Engels Rood Logboek

Berichtdoor Luke » 08 feb 2021, 22:03

Geëmigreerd
Al een tijdje heb ik weinig laten horen. Inmiddels is er het een en ander veranderd en heb ik besloten om voor werk te emigreren naar het land (en regio) van Mercedes. Momenteel in Zuid-Duitsland stukje onder Stuttgart. De Benz is voorlopig ook meegegaan, maar mag het nu wat rustiger aan doen en kan hier gelukkig mooi binnen staan.

Vanwege de grotere afstanden en vele winterse omstandigheden heb ik er sinds kort een moderne daily bij. De Benz rijdt nog steeds top en houd zich sterk, heb nog veel plezier van het opknapwerk van alweer bijna 4 jaar geleden.

Afgezien van oliewissels, wassen, waxen en tectyleren valt er eigenlijk niks te melden qua reparaties. :grin:

Nog een plaatje voor de sfeerimpressie, wel op winterbanden, vandaar de niet-zo-mooie velgen.
Bijlagen
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Re: W123 200D 1977 Engels Rood Logboek

Berichtdoor RD500sec » 09 feb 2021, 18:46

Staat je moderne daily er nu naast?
Deze moderne Duitser kan wat betrouwbaarheid betreft niet in de schaduw staan van je Benz. Ik hoop dat je er geluk mee hebt, ik zou het niet aandurven.
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Re: W123 200D 1977 Engels Rood Logboek

Berichtdoor Luke » 09 feb 2021, 20:33

Haha nee hoor, die zwarte Audi is niet van mij en stond gewoon ergens op een parkeerplaats.

Mijn moderne daily is een VW golf 7 geworden met euro6, 1.6tdi met handbak met 72dkm. Ook moderne techniek, al kom je daar nauwelijks meer omheen. Om de meeste milieuzones in te komen (Stuttgart, en die zone is groot..) heb je toch wel een vrij recente euronorm nodig. Qua betrouwbaarheid: Veel oliewisselen (in tegenstelling tot wat 'longlife' olie beweert), rustig warmrijden en regelmatig alles nakijken en hopen dat het lang goed gaat.
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Re: W123 200D 1977 Engels Rood Logboek

Berichtdoor RD500sec » 10 feb 2021, 13:57

Ik hoop het voor je Luke.
VAG staat tegenwoordig niet echt bekend om zijn lange levensduur.
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Re: W123 200D 1977 Engels Rood Logboek

Berichtdoor Weizengelb » 10 feb 2021, 15:08

Hoi Luke,

De 200D staat er mooi bij in de sneeuw.
Mag je met de W123 niet in de milieuzone? Ik dacht dat dat in Duitsland wel mocht met een historisches Fahrzeug?

Klepsteelrubbers heb ik gisteren ook nog vervangen, mooi klusje. Lastigste is steeds die beschermhulsjes erop doen :grin:

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Re: W123 200D 1977 Engels Rood Logboek

Berichtdoor Luke » 10 feb 2021, 21:54

Hi Math,
Bedankt voor het compliment, altijd leuk de sneeuw foto's idd. In principe mag de Benz wel alle milieuzones in (heb dat ook wel gedaan), maar de moderne daily moet er ook in kunnen om praktische redenen.

In tegenstelling tot NL zijn er in Duitsland echt al veel milieuzones en reiken ze ook vrij ver. Zelfs de niet-eens zo grote stad waar ik zelf nabij woon heeft er een.

Leuk dat je bezig bent geweest met de klepsteelrubbers, als je goed oplet een prima klusje. En ja dat hulsje is een beetje prutsen haha. Heb jij ook andere veren gemonteerd? Ik kan me niet herinneren dat mijne groen waren.
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Re: W123 200D 1977 Engels Rood Logboek

Berichtdoor Luke » 10 feb 2021, 22:02

En Richard, dat hoop ik ook van harte. VAG heeft idd wel wat missers gehad, naar wat ik zo gelezen heb vooral rond 2010 met DSG/olieverbruik van bepaalde benzines en nokkenas issues.

Uiteindelijk is de vraag, welke moderne auto is nog wel extreem betrouwbaar en robuust? Ik heb nog wel Japans overwogen (hier relatief zeldzaam), maar daar is diesel weer niet zo'n ding. Ook nog gekeken naar wat oudere modellen (bijv. met de bekende 1.9 pompverstuiver tdi's) maar zie je ook snel redelijk veel roest en problemen de kop opsteken. Auto's lijken hier toch een wat zwaarder leven te hebben. Daarnaast vind je hier echt op elke hoek wel een VAG model en is er veel kennis en service voor binnenlandse merken. Mijn idee was om er ook geen tonnen in te blijven rijden, maar in elk geval de komende paar jaar en zeg 100.000 km. En.. heb altijd nog de 200D om op terug te vallen. :)
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Re: W123 200D 1977 Engels Rood Logboek

Berichtdoor Weizengelb » 11 feb 2021, 12:50

Hoi Luke,

Nee de veren hadden de groene verf erop. Meestal zit er wel een kleur op maar is door de olie niet altijd (meer) zichtbaar.

Zon mooie W123 (of w1125) diesel is toch het voorbeeld van betrouwbaarheid, geen zorgen op electronica. Geeft een gerust gevoel om achter de hand te hebben naast een moderne electronicawagen.

Ik heb laatst ook weer een 87 graden Thermostaat gekocht (in plaats van standaard 79 graden). Is wel fijn voor in de winter dan wordt de verwarming lekker warm!

Groeten Math
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