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Re: W123 240TD Hydraulische dempers reviseren

Berichtdoor wwwW123 » 26 nov 2020, 14:53

de vervangingsveren voor een T of een sedan met niveau zijn vaak niet volgens de originele specs van de fabriek....
wil niet zeggen dat het niet goed rijdt of veert...
punt 2; de veren die je nu van bijv. bilstein krijgt zijn hele andere producten dan de producten die tien jaar of meer terug geleverd werden..nogmaals; wil niet zeggen dat het nu 'slecht' is.
ik hobbyde vroeger veel met veren en een toenmalige toeleverancier van Mercedes...waar soms per ongeluk de Mercedes ster nog in stond ;)
..die moesten dan teruggestuurd worden...
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Re: W123 240TD Hydraulische dempers reviseren

Berichtdoor wwwW123 » 26 nov 2020, 14:56

zwaardere veren hebben een ander veerkarakteristiek. is ook vaak smaak gevoelig. net zoals je ook verzwaarde voorveren hebt en voor de normale gedempte auto's verzwaarde achterveren. persoonlijk vind ik iets zwaarder best fijn rijden.
Mercedes was standaard vrij comfortabel geveerd.
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Re: W123 240TD Hydraulische dempers reviseren

Berichtdoor RD500sec » 26 nov 2020, 19:18

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Re: W123 240TD Hydraulische dempers reviseren

Berichtdoor Arjen81 » 27 nov 2020, 08:39

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Re: W123 240TD Hydraulische dempers reviseren

Berichtdoor JantjeV8 » 27 nov 2020, 11:15

Met schroefveren via het www aan te kopen zijn toch wisselende ervaringen. Niet zozeer over de kwaliteit van de veren, maar wel over de stugheid/afmetingen.
Moet maar eens opletten hoeveel W123's raar op d'r poten staan. Hier in de buurt rijdt een mooi wit dieseltje rond met de kont in de lucht. Soms zie je ze juist achterover hangen, zowel achter te laag als voor veel te hoog. Zonde is dat, een W123 hoort recht te staan zonder al te veel ruimte tussen band en spatbordrand.
Orienteer je goed voordat je veren aankoopt.
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Re: W123 240TD Hydraulische dempers reviseren

Berichtdoor wwwW123 » 27 nov 2020, 17:01

De originele eerste uitvoering hebben een stel windingen vlak bij elkaar. En dan verder 'gewone' windingen qua afstand. Veer is een fractie dunner dan de gewone sedan veer. Mijn laatste W123 achterveren voor sedan en t zijn allemaal weg.
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Re: W123 240TD Hydraulische dempers reviseren

Berichtdoor Ruud280e » 29 nov 2020, 19:21

Hallo Arjen

De originele achterasveren Voor de 240TD zouden de volgende moeten zijn
HINTERFEDER A123 324 4104

Zijn origineel nog leverbaar bij MB voor €107,58 per stuk; zie website

https://teilesuche.mercedes-benz-classic.com/

Mijn advies zou ook zijn om te gaan voor de originele veren nu ze nog leverbaar zijn. Deze zijn volledig afgestemd op de niveauregeling en zo voorkom je problemen daarmee.

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Re: W123 240TD Hydraulische dempers reviseren

Berichtdoor wwwW123 » 30 nov 2020, 17:16

Het is niet gezegd, dat de veren die je nu krijgt bij de dealer dezelfde zijn als 10 jaar of meer terug.
Met andere onderdelen heb ik dit zelf al meegemaakt.
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Re: W123 240TD Hydraulische dempers reviseren

Berichtdoor Arjen81 » 30 nov 2020, 17:29

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Re: W123 240TD Hydraulische dempers reviseren

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Re: W123 240TD Hydraulische dempers reviseren

Berichtdoor Ruud280e » 01 dec 2020, 16:38

N.b: Bovenstaand onderdeelnummer van de veren heb ik uit de onderdelencatalogus van de W123 T-versie (samengesteld door de Duitse Mercedesclub i.s.m. Mercedes-Benz). Vraag bij het bestellen bij de dealer zekerheidshalve altijd even om het juiste onderdeelnummer voor je auto te controleren.

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Re: W123 240TD Hydraulische dempers reviseren

Berichtdoor RD500sec » 01 dec 2020, 16:57

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Re: W123 240TD Hydraulische dempers reviseren

Berichtdoor wwwW123 » 02 dec 2020, 14:40

Ik begon in 2008 wat veren te leveren voor de klassieke Mercedes van de toenmalige Kraemer und Freund fabrikant. Die ging ergens rond d 2012 over naar bilstein. Wat later was het afgelopen voor mij.
Productie van bilstein kwam van elders en producten werden zichtbaar wat anders. De T veer oude model was van Kraemer meen ik rond 2009 of 2010 niet meer leverbaar. Welke versie en van welke toeleverancier Mercedes ze nu heeft weet ik niet. Jaren terug leverde ik voor de t nog wel eens de wat versterkte net zo lange veer. Normale windingen die ook in de sedan gebruikt kon worden. Als eerder geschreven verandert je veerkarakteristiek wat. Vaak smaakgevoelig. De een wil stugger dan de ander...voor politie voertuigen werd vaak een wat verhoogde wagenstand met dus ook stugger veer vermeld in de boeken. Er zijn vroeger heel veel soorten en maten geleverd.
De kleurcode zegt iets over de lengte en welke maat rubbers je daarbij moet gebruiken
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Re: W123 240TD Hydraulische dempers reviseren

Berichtdoor JantjeV8 » 04 dec 2020, 08:30

Een trekhaak als optie af-fabriek bracht ook een andere veercode met zich mee, en volgens mij zelfs het bankje voor de 7e zitplaats. Een taxi kreeg ook andere veren, zowel sedan als T.
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Re: W123 240TD Hydraulische dempers reviseren

Berichtdoor RD500sec » 04 dec 2020, 17:37

Bij de trekhaak optie af fabriek werd er een 1 maat dikker veer rubber geplaatst. Niet per se een zwaardere veer.
Maar wat je aangeeft klopt, de vering werd bij das Haus aangepast aan de uitrusting en aan het gebruik.
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