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door **Bart200D** » 03 maart 2016, 13:38

Hey Ostwelt,

Ik denk dat jij inderdaad wel weet hoe mijn auto schakelt momenteel.

Wat natuurlijk altijd kan: de motor én de versnellingsbak zijn gereviseerd: is er toen iets verkeerd aangesloten ? Kan altijd natuurlijk. Dus de leidingen kunnen wel degelijk verkeerd zitten.

Kan iemand eventueel hier eens een foto plaatsen van hun motorruimte en dan specifiek van de vaculeidingen ?

Grz,

door **Ostwelt** » 03 maart 2016, 21:18

Ik weet niet hoe ik een draadje kan linken hier... Maar tik even " 300D automaat schakelt slecht of laat" o.i.d in het zoekscherm.

Daar beschreef iemand haarfijn hoe het allemaal in elkaar steekt met dat vacuum en daar vind je zelfs een schematje met kleurcodes als ik het goed heb. Ik heb er zelf al eens flink naar moeten zoeken en die post heeft mij in elk geval wel geholpen...

door **Bart200D** » 04 maart 2016, 11:00

Heren Benzers,

Ik ben van plan om mij zélf een vacumeter te kopen. Is altijd handig.

De vraag is enkel: aan wat moet deze exact voldoen qua waarden ?

De volgende heb ik gekregen van mijn vaste onderdelenleverancier: is deze voldoende ?

door **Bart200D** » 09 maart 2016, 20:08

Heren. Vanavond eens onder de auto gekropen. Ik heb een rode modulator. Die vacuslang ligt wel redelijk los richting motorruimte. Wat heb ik eens gedaan: slang afgekoppeld en aan gezogen en aan geblazen. Bij blazen hoor ik geluid ergens voorin de auto? Vacupomp ? Boosdoener is waarschijnlijk ook gevonden: het kruisstuk bovenop kleppendeksel: 1 ingang kan je wel heel makkelijk van dat witte ding trekken. Tie raps rond en verschil is reeds te merken.

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door **Tony MB** » 09 maart 2016, 23:04

door **MB280E** » 09 maart 2016, 23:13

Zou nu eerst al die verbindingstukjes vervangen. Zal waarschijnlijk uw probleem oplossen.

door **Bart200D** » 09 maart 2016, 23:17

Yep jan ik wacht op nieuws van de garage wanneer ze binnen zijn. Auto heeft precies al meer power heb ik de indruk

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door **Bart200D** » 10 maart 2016, 22:54

Heren graag nog jullie bevinding: als ik op de leiding blaas die op de modulator zit hoor ik iets bewegen in de motorruimte. Normaal ?

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door **Govert** » 11 maart 2016, 01:32

Ik ga er van uit dat jouw bak volledig door vacuüm aangestuurd wordt, dat is normaal voor een 300D uit 1980. Vanaf de vacuümpomp voorop de motor loopt een dikke witte slang naar de rembekrachtiger. Er is een aftakking voor de diverse vacuümsystemen, waaronder de automaatbak. De aftakking is een gecalibreerde doorgang, Die kan door vervuiling dicht zitten, het kan geen kwaad om dat te controleren en schoon te maken. Vanaf de aftakking loopt een leiding naar het vacuümregelventiel op de dieselpomp en vanaf het ventiel naar de vacuümmodulator op de bak. Er zit ook nog een vacuümschakelaar op het kleppendeksel. De vacuümleidingen zelf zijn van hard plastic en die slijten niet (tenzij ze in contact komen met een heet motoronderdeel). De rubberen aansluitmofjes slijten wel, dat wil zeggen dat het rubber achteruit gaat en dan komt er vacuümlekkage. De rubberen aansluitmofjes moet je, als ze nog nooit vervangen zijn, allemaal vervangen. Je koopt daarvoor bij de dealer een metertje of twee aan rubber aansluitmof en je knipt stukjes af. Je hebt ook verdeelstukken (drieweg).

De modulator heeft onder het kapje een rubber ring zitten, die kan je eventueel ook vervangen. Als je een vacuümpomp op de leiding naar de modulator zet, mag er geen lekkage zijn. De modulator kan ook nog helemaal lek zijn, dan wordt er rode automaatbakolie aangezogen, maar dit is zeldzaam en kan je makkelijk vaststellen. Meestal is het gewoon de rubberen ring onder het kapje, als het kapje makkelijk is rond te draaien, dan is de rubberen ring versleten.

Het regelventiel kan ook kapot zijn, dat kan je alleen goed controleren met een vacuümmeter. Die sluit je aan op de leiding naar de bak.

De schakelaar op het kleppendeksel kan ook nog kapot zijn, op verschillende manieren. Veel voorkomend is dat de slepers versleten zijn. Als je een Amerikaanse uitvoering hebt, dan zijn er nog wat schakelaar op het kleppendeksel.

Het systeem zet hoog vacuüm (-0,7 bar) op de bak tijdens stilstaan, de bak staat in 2, als je het gaspedaal een beetje intrapt gaat het vacuüm naar -0,4 bar, de bak schakelt daardoor terug naar 1. Je rijdt weg in 1. Geef je volgas, dan is er geen vacuüm, de bak schakelt laat. Geef je weinig gas, dan blijft het vacuüm in de buurt van -0,4 bar en de bak schakelt snel op.

De handvacuümpomp is goed. Helemaal mooi is een exemplaar die ook druk op kan bouwen, maar die heb je voor controle van het vacuüm niet nodig.

Als je op de leiding naar de bak blaast in de motorruimte, dan moet er geen lucht kunnen ontsnappen. Blaas je bij de modulator, dan ontsnapt de lucht via het regelventiel en de vacuümpomp.

door **Bart200D** » 11 maart 2016, 13:46

Dag Govert,

Ik ga er inderdaad ook vanuit dat hij volledig door vacuum is aangestuurd.
Als ik jouw beschrijving vergelijk met hoe mijn leidingen lopen, lijkt er mij toch iets verschillend te zijn.
Die leiding van de bak / modulator komt bij mij in de motorruimte uit in het verdeelstuk op het kleppendeksel.
Ik ga foto's maken en posten en kunnen we beter kijken.

Alvast aan iedereen dank !

door **Govert** » 12 maart 2016, 12:50

door **Bart200D** » 13 maart 2016, 14:16

Hoy allen,

Ondertussen alweer een uurtje gesurft op het net

. Hierbij de foto's van mijn vaculijnen in het motorgedeelte.

Indien iemand iets raars ziet aan de aansluitingen, please let me know.

Ik begin het wel een interessant gegeven te vinden die vacuumonderzoeken :handgestures-thumbup:

door **Bart200D** » 13 maart 2016, 15:07

Heren Benzers,

Wat mij nu eigenlijk wel reeds opvalt: hoort het niet zo te zijn dat de leiding van de modulator rechtstreeks wordt aangesoten op de white bleed valve ? Die achteraan op de dieselpomp zit ? Met zo'n groene demper tussen ?

Momenteel loopt (zie vacu2 foto) leiding met het nr 1 naar die white bleed valve en NIET de leiding van de bak.

door **Ostwelt** » 13 maart 2016, 23:22

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: vacuum automaat 300d.jpg (45.65 KiB)

(Foto is " geleend" van dit forum, waarvoor mijn dank aan de fotograaf)

Volgens mij hoort die 4-sprong er helemaal niet tussen... Op bovenstaande foto zie je hoe het volgens mij er wel uit hoort te zien.
Ergens in de techniek hoek van dit forum zwerft ook een schema met de juiste kleuren voor het vacuum van de automaatbak, maar die kon ik zo snel even niet terug vinden.

Ik hoop dat je er wat mee kan.

door **Bart200D** » 13 maart 2016, 23:29

Dank je wel ostwelt. De nummer 6 op mijn tekening gaat richting waterpomp. Iemand idee waarvoor die vaculijn dient ? Jouw foto is inderdaad veel simpeler

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door **Bart200D** » 15 maart 2016, 22:01

Goeienavond heren,

Had de vraag al eens eerder gesteld maar zal er nu ook een foto van bijvoegen.
Zie eerst foto vacu2: de leiding nummer 6 loopt naar iets net boven de waterpomp en dan verder onder het luchtfilterhuis. Wat is dit voor een leiding ? Waartoe dient deze ? Kan het kloppen dat Ostwelt gelijk heeft dat die viersprong er niet hoort te zitten ?
Ik heb een foto gemaakt van de leiding die onder het luchtfilterhuis. Graag wil ik jullie wel even vermelden dat mijn auto oorspronkelijk ook een climate control systeem had... kan dat de reden zijn dat ik over zoveel vacuslangen beschik ? EGR zou het normaal niet zijn heb ik mij laten vertellen... Ik zie bij velen ook zo'n groene "demper" zitten... bij mij niet. Als iemand mij een foto kan bezorgen van hoe de motorruimte er dient uit te zien qua vacu voor een gewone 300D uit 1980, graag

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door **MB280E** » 15 maart 2016, 22:59

IS ne Amerikaan.
Daar zitten veel vacium leiding op ivm de uitstoot. En je hebt een EGR klep zitten.

door **Govert** » 17 maart 2016, 03:17

Om te beginnen: het flippertje is versleten. Dat flippertje wordt bediend door nr. 4 op je foto vacu2.jpg.

Het omschakelventiel wordt daardoor niet goed bediend.

Hieronder zie je het schema. Als je het gaspedaal niet intrapt, is 62 verbonden via 63 verbonden met 19 (vacuummodulator op de bak). Dan is er volledig vacuum van de pomp aangesloten op de bak.

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: 300dusavacuum.jpg (49.05 KiB)

Trap je het pedaal in, dan wordt ventiel 64 bediend. Dan lekt er vacuum via het regelventiel 65 weg (afhankelijk van hoe diep je het gaspedaal intrapt). Er is ook nog een aansluiting naar c, de genoemde EGR klep. Die aansluiting kan je desgewenst afsluiten. Voor de Europese uitlaatgasnormen is de EGR-klep niet nodig. Je kan de aansluiting ook laten zitten, maar dan mag er geen vacuumlekkage zijn.

De demper is er later aangebracht door MB, de eerste modellen hadden het niet. Het verbetert de aansturing van de bak, dus het kan geen kwaad eentje aan te brengen, maar ik weet niet hoe duur zo'n ding nieuw is.

Je hebt inderdaad een USA-uitvoering. De viersprong is niet origineel, dat wil zeggen dat origineel met twee driesprongen zit aangesloten met een gecalibreerde doorgang (nr. 63 op het schema). De viersprong is niet helemaal verkeerd, maar je mist wel de gecalibreerde doorgang. Zoals gezegd kan je de aftakking naar c (EGR) weghalen.

En de leiding naar d (lekkageleiding) is bij jou niet aangesloten, die moet eigenlijk naar het interieur lopen, waar relatief schone lucht wordt aangezogen (tenzij je natuurlijk grote sigaren rookt in de auto).

door **Bart200D** » 17 maart 2016, 09:35

Hey govert. Met dat flippertje bedoel je heel dat wit plastic gedeelte of enkel het geen dat naar binnen gedrukt wordt ? Of ook die halve maan die er tegen drukt ?

Die leiding D waar jij over spreekt, is wel degelijk aangesloten bij mij maar zit op het onderdeel nét voor het regelventiel, dieselpomp ? Het onderdeel met de paddestoel op vanboven

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door **Govert** » 17 maart 2016, 17:16

Ik bedoel alleen het flippertje, dat is apart te vervangen. Op de foto heb ik een rode lijn gezet op het flippertje.

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: vacu2.jpg (419.07 KiB)

Leiding d is niet aangesloten, tenminste niet op de foto, zie de rode cirkel op de foto hieronder:

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De leiding naar de EGR-klep gaat eerst naar een temperatuurgestuurde klep (nabij de thermostaat). Als de motor nog koud is, dan wordt er geen EGR toegepast, de vacuümleiding wordt door de temperatuurgestuurde klep afgesloten.

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